Originally posted by marlock
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Originally posted by marlock
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Originally posted by marlock
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Now as you said Redhat has to look at their business model.
Yes nightmare here is valid options:
1) not release all the MIT and the like license stuff that does not require them to release the source
2) use the written source code provide option of GPL and delay provide of source for 30 to 90 days.
3) Make SRPM that confirm to the bare min GPL requires. Again another legal option.
4) Rework their contracts to make sure reporting a bug about a clone to Redhat support is legal to end support contract and like demand payment of a full redhat license per staff member in company because someone in the company has been dick enough todo this.
Rocky and others need to wake up bad things have been happening to Redhat that costing them resources/money and this is why Redhat/IBM is pissed. IBM legal department will go though the GPL and will work out the min possible way they can obey it to the letter of the GPL licnese. IBM legal department will already be considering not providing the MIT/apache and so on parts..
Lot of ways Rocky should be equally pissed with the dick move happening to Redhat because Rocky support company CIQ is not getting contracts they should because people are using Redhat support for Rocky installs instead of taking out a contract with CIQ.
marlock it takes two to tango. Redhat/IBM is not just pissed because they want to make more money alone. Redhat/IBM is party pissed because they have the documentation that people are causing Redhat support personal to waste their time looking for issues RHEL does not have because they are too cheap to buy the right contracts and report the problem to the right party and are also too cheap to test if the problem really effects RHEL before reporting to Redhat/IBM.
Yes profit is a fact here but the dick move is a big prolbem. Yes the dick move harms rocky Linux and Oracle Linux as well as RHEL/Redhat/IBM. AlmaLinux does not sell support.
We want think if the billion dollar company being the villain here but we need to accept that billion dollar company has a true bandit problem that is absolutely harming them and that this harm is not just restricted to Redhat/IBM. How more resources could have rocky Linux put into rocky Linux development if those exploiting redhat to support rocky had paid CIQ for that support we don't know.
Of course I fear with IBM legal department in the mix with Redhat they are going react in the IBM way that is not going to be nice. Yes attempting to loop hole around the Redhat restriction will make IBM legal department look to more extreme options and the extrema options I can clearly see are not going to be nice.
We really do need to sit down and start working out a clear policy/contract design on how to deal with parties who dick move with support companies like Redhat/IBM, CIQ and so on. Nice would be clause in support contracts of all involved you do the dick move and get caught you have to pay the support provider you wasted the time at max rate and pay support contract like for 10 years to the party you should have had the support contract with so that it too costly to-do the dick move.
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