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When it's a blizzard out and it's -20C, I wouldn't trust 2 cents to an electric battery car.

Yet they sell well in Norway and Canada.

Likewise, the chemicals to make batteries are actually WORSE for the environment

You must be utterly lacking in common sense and completely suckered by fossil fuel company misinformation to think that adding a 1/2-ton recyclable battery to a car is worse than the literally TONS of actually filthy fossil fuel that it displaces in operation, none of which is recycled, and which all goes up in smoke to add to the multiple worsening harms from global warming. Every recent study concludes an EV is better for the environment on the current grid mix:

• Cambridge/Exeter/Nijmeggen Universities 2020: "Under current conditions, driving an electric car is better for the climate than conventional petrol cars in 95% of the world."
• Eindhoven University 2020: "Electric cars currently on average emit less than half of the CO2 their petrol counterparts do, even when production and energy consumption is taken into account".
• ICTT 2021: "battery electric vehicles (BEVs) have by far the lowest life-cycle GHG emissions... emissions over the lifetime of average medium-size BEVs registered today are already lower than comparable gasoline cars by 66%–69% in Europe, 60%–68% in the United States, 37%–45% in China, and 19%–34% in India."

The only debate is whether the EV repays the hit from adding a 1/2 ton battery in 30,000 - 15,000 - even 7,500 miles of driving that burn through TONS less fossil fuel. (The much-promoted 2017 Swedish study that finds otherwise assumed 175 kg CO2 equivalent emissions per kWh of battery, but they updated in 2019 to 87 kg/kWh and so the breakeven point came much sooner.)

not to mention that you can't recycle them properly

You're welcome to short the stocks of all the startups planning to recycle EV batteries (American Battery Technology, Ascend Elements, Battery Resource, Brunp Recycling, Green Li-ion, Li-Cycle, Primobius, Redwood Materials, ReLIB, SMCC Recycling, Umicore, ...) Their biggest problem is they can't yet scale up because the millions of EVs now on the road just got there, and EV batteries are lasting longer than expected; also, hobbyists and stationary storage are buying up tired, but not broken, batteries. In the USA, 99% of all the far more toxic 12-Volt lead-ACID batteries in conventional cars are recycled. Why on Earth won't bigger and more valuable lithium-ion automotive batteries eventually be recycled?

and it costs an extremely expensive amount of money to replace the battery about 3 years down the road when it expires.

Do you get tired of spouting lies? In the USA EV batteries have at least an 8-year/100,000 mile warranty.

to the point where the whole car just becomes disposable. How's that for being "environmentally-sound"?

Do the math, lazy-ass. A 35 mpg car will burn through 10 tons of fossil fuel over 120,000 miles, which turns into 33 tons of CO2. THAT's the central problem with any gasser, and EVs address it. If you're worried about the harms of a 2-ton manufactured product, then DON'T OWN A CAR, but only morons and fossil fuel stooges think an EV is remotely as bad as a gasser.

[Waethorn]

Yet they sell well in Norway and Canada.

In Vancouver. Vancouver is like LA North for weather - they don't get Winter, they get a rainy season. If it snows in Vancouver, which is extremely rare, the entire city shuts down because they don't have a fleet of snow plows. Electric vehicles don't run in chilling temperatures - your heating in winter rush hour will just eat the battery dry. And I know someone that can tell you that NOBODY, outside of Calgary (lib central) drives an electric in Alberta. Nor does anyone outside of the downtown core of Toronto, where vehicles are largely unnecessary due to public transit, yet yuppie egotists like to flaunt their money. They don't sell well, and Tesla is at the BOTTOM of the consumer satisfaction index for 50 vehicle brands. Consumers are more satisfied with obscure foreign imports than Tesla.

You must be utterly lacking in common sense and completely suckered by fossil fuel company misinformation to think that adding a 1/2-ton recyclable battery to a car is worse than the literally TONS of actually filthy fossil fuel that it displaces in operation, none of which is recycled, and which all goes up in smoke to add to the multiple worsening harms from global warming.

People just shoveled a foot of your "global warming" off their car recently.

Do some research on how much lithium mining it takes to make a single battery.

Their biggest problem is they can't yet scale up because the millions of EVs now on the road just got there, and EV batteries are lasting longer than expected; also, hobbyists and stationary storage are buying up tired, but not broken, batteries. In the USA, 99% of all the far more toxic 12-Volt lead-ACID batteries in conventional cars are recycled. Why on Earth won't bigger and more valuable lithium-ion automotive batteries eventually be recycled?
Do you get tired of spouting lies? In the USA EV batteries have at least an 8-year/100,000 mile warranty.

Tell that to the guy who was quoted $26,000USD for a new battery on his not-very-old Tesla (they haven't been in business very long) and instead torched it for Internet fame.

And then tell me about that entire electric car cemetary in France where compact electric ride-sharing cars are just leaking battery juice into the ground because they're too expensive to get replacements or to fix the reliability problems.

Oh and then tell me all these car fires that burn uncontrollably next to one another in a charging park and how those plumes of smoke are somehow better than a bit of exhaust.

Do the math, lazy-ass. A 35 mpg car will burn through 10 tons of fossil fuel over 120,000 miles, which turns into 33 tons of CO2.

CO2 is literally plant food. Sulphur and methane are the real hazards, but nobody seems to be talking about that for some reason. And yet battery factories spew that shit out more than most oil refineries. Not to mention that it still takes petroleum products to run the factories and manufacture them. Tell me why that is.

[AlanTuring69]

In Vancouver. Vancouver is like LA North for weather - they don't get Winter, they get a rainy season. If it snows in Vancouver, which is extremely rare, the entire city shuts down because they don't have a fleet of snow plows. Electric vehicles don't run in chilling temperatures - your heating in winter rush hour will just eat the battery dry. And I know someone that can tell you that NOBODY, outside of Calgary (lib central) drives an electric in Alberta. Nor does anyone outside of the downtown core of Toronto, where vehicles are largely unnecessary due to public transit, yet yuppie egotists like to flaunt their money. They don't sell well, and Tesla is at the BOTTOM of the consumer satisfaction index for 50 vehicle brands. Consumers are more satisfied with obscure foreign imports than Tesla.



People just shoveled a foot of your "global warming" off their car recently.

Do some research on how much lithium mining it takes to make a single battery.



Tell that to the guy who was quoted $26,000USD for a new battery on his not-very-old Tesla (they haven't been in business very long) and instead torched it for Internet fame.

And then tell me about that entire electric car cemetary in France where compact electric ride-sharing cars are just leaking battery juice into the ground because they're too expensive to get replacements or to fix the reliability problems.

Oh and then tell me all these car fires that burn uncontrollably next to one another in a charging park and how those plumes of smoke are somehow better than a bit of exhaust.



CO2 is literally plant food. Sulphur and methane are the real hazards, but nobody seems to be talking about that for some reason. And yet battery factories spew that shit out more than most oil refineries. Not to mention that it still takes petroleum products to run the factories and manufacture them. Tell me why that is.

I don't know if you're trolling or delusional. CO2 is very clearly a greenhouse gas and the climate is very clearly changing, along with a corresponding increase in CO2 levels. To deny this is to deny a climate exists... Nobody should argue with someone like this. Do you also believe the Earth is flat? Or that gravity isn't the force that is responsible for objects falling? Do you believe that the Earth is the center of the solar system?

If EVs happen to not work for your particularly frozen section of Siberia then don't buy one. Most places in the world are not a frozen tundra half the year and they work just fine with a less negative overall contribution to our planet being destroyed. Every ton of CO2 matters.

[Waethorn]

I don't know if you're trolling or delusional. CO2 is very clearly a greenhouse gas and the climate is very clearly changing, along with a corresponding increase in CO2 levels. To deny this is to deny a climate exists... Nobody should argue with someone like this. Do you also believe the Earth is flat? Or that gravity isn't the force that is responsible for objects falling? Do you believe that the Earth is the center of the solar system?

If EVs happen to not work for your particularly frozen section of Siberia then don't buy one. Most places in the world are not a frozen tundra half the year and they work just fine with a less negative overall contribution to our planet being destroyed. Every ton of CO2 matters.

Last study they did said mean temperature hasn't changed more than .3 degrees C over 100 years.

The people saying that CO2 is harmful are the same people that say paying a tax changes the weather and are willing to pump sulfer particles into the air to poison people to try and prove a false statement, and they've been saying that there's some kind of climate catatrophe for 50+ years just waiting to happen "within 10 years". Turns out it's no more true today than it was then.

Now line up for your nth jab, or do you not "Trust the science"??

[billyswong]

Hi guys. Why are you arguing greenhouse gases / climate change / battery car here when all these are irrelevant to Linux / Serpent OS / computer in general?

[Waethorn]

I'm just going to put this here:

Tesla S will not charge in the cold. Stranded on Christmas Eve! #tesla... | TikTok

Enjoy your fake virtue signals from a flim-flam man.