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    Phoronix: CentOS SIG To Help Get Community CentOS Stream Features Into Next RHEL Releases

    With CentOS Stream to be the upstream of Red Hat Enterprise Linux moving forward, a CentOS special interest group is being formed that is driven by Red Hat stakeholders in helping to ensure technically interesting CentOS Stream changes made by community members are evaluated and primed for inclusion into future Red Hat Enterprise Linux releases...

    https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...atures-To-RHEL

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    I'm not sure anything will regain them the lost trust in CentOS ever again, after they dropped support for CentOS 8 _years_ before its previously announced end-of-life. Doing such is suicide for any distribution that is aimed at long-term stability - especially since there are plenty of other distributions around that can do the "rolling release" thing better. I know several people who installed CentOS 8 on servers, and none of them is migrating to CentOS Streams, RedHat or Fedora - they are all off to other distributions that did not lie about life times.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by dwagner View Post
      I'm not sure anything will regain them the lost trust in CentOS ever again, after they dropped support for CentOS 8 _years_ before its previously announced end-of-life.
      Nobody at Red Hat was stopping community members from stepping up. RH were no longer interested in investing into traditional CentOS and why would they? There's RHEL already. Now we have not one but two community RHEL-derivatives. Where were they when CentOS looked for help (before the buyout)?

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      • #4
        If you've ever worked with Red Hat folks, then you already know what a sham this is. Amazing.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by dwagner View Post
          I'm not sure anything will regain them the lost trust in CentOS ever again
          Nailed it. The CentOS brand is toxic at this point, and those using it today are eagerly awaiting Rocky Linux, if they haven't already switched to some other distro. I'm saying this as a long time RHCE who has literally made a career of working with RHEL. To say I'm disappointed with the direction they're taking is an understatement.

          I'm fairly certain that the community will move on. To make an analogy, CentOS Stream vs. Rocky Linux is the next OpenOffice vs. LibreOffice. One will get left for dead, while the other gets all the community attention. Pretty clear which is which.
          Last edited by torsionbar28; 22 May 2021, 11:33 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
            RH were no longer interested in investing into traditional CentOS and why would they?
            Then why the fu&k did Red Hat acquire CentOS? Seems like they did it simply to kill the project off. Perhaps this wasn't their initial motivation, but clearly it is IBM's. A real dick move that the community won't soon forget.

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            • #7
              I am not sure what people are winging about here. CentOS Stream is not for the people who wanted a free RHEL. For that you have Rocky or the actual free version of RHEL. CentOs Stream is for people who want to test their stuff on what RHEL will become at some point in the future. Obviously Red Hat sees a demand for this. I suppose you can get all butthurt that they are not doing the work to provide a limitless free copy of their product, but they are not stopping anyone else from doing it. Stream has a completely different purpose and is not comparable to or in competition with the old CentOs or efforts like Rocky...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by dwagner View Post
                they dropped support for CentOS
                what support? how much did you pay for it?

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                • #9
                  Phoronix - the place where ant-redhatters unite.

                  I think the majority of users on here mischaracterise Centos and Centos Stream. Centos Stream (for the stable release) is not a "test" or development version. All updates made to it ahve already been test and approved for the next minor RHEL release. It should be just as stable but without the missing support windows around the times of each new minor release that Centos suffered from.

                  I saw this video on it recently on it and I thought it was great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf_EkU3x2G0

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by You- View Post
                    Centos Stream (for the stable release) is not a "test" or development version. All updates made to it ahve already been test and approved for the next minor RHEL release. It should be just as stable but without the missing support windows around the times of each new minor release that Centos suffered from.
                    The real problem of Stream is not stability but compatibility. There is a lot of software that is packaged for RHEL 8 and doesn't run on Stream because of binary compatibility breakages. Since the Stream doesn't have any kind of versioning, it's impossible to build packages for it even if somebody wanted to do it. I ran into this exact problem already earlier this year and I ended up compiling stuff from source. Of course now I have no way of knowing whether a next `dnf upgrade` won't break things again. A very 1990s Linux experience.

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