Fedora 29 Might Hide The GRUB Boot Menu & It's Causing Lots Of Debate

[Britoid]

Why do people want defaults that prevents you from having any clue about what is going on?! How do you expect people to be curious and learn that perhaps there is such a thing like kernel parameters that can to interesting things.

This way of dumbing down people is the very reason things such as Windows 10 (hint: the default "privacy" policy) and the Intel management engine is accepted by the majority of people anyway.

If you choose to have no clue about what is going on and happily embrace stupidity then by all means go ahead, but keep in mind that smart people is vastly outnumbered.

Dumbing things down makes OEMs happy. They don't want to deal with the support, less chance of someone bricking their laptop, the better. Most people want that it "just works". The people that care about ME etc aren't most people.

"Just works" can't be said for any Linux distro. If you need a system to revert back to old kernel versions at boot, you're not doing "just works". e.g. Windows will reverse upgrades if an update bricks it.

[xiando]

There are also a lot of people that belive patatoes grow on trees. What does your and your quoted "people don't know anything" argument tell us? Exactly! They want Windows!

This makes me think of a strange paradox too many ignore: People don't choose to switch to GNU/Linux because it's easier to use than Windows, they do it because it gives them the freedom to explore and customize. GNOME and the way GNOME developers are hell-bent on removing features to "make it more user-friendly" may have the goal of making it attractive to people who use Windows - but guess what, they ain't going to switch. There's no point in alienating the 1% of computer users who've already switched to GNU/Linux because it's not like Windows. If you can't figure out how to enable or disable grub's boot menu then you're probably not the kind of person who's using GNU/Linux in the first place. Those who just want to play games are more likely to buy a playstation than switching to Fedora because it removed the grub boot menu "to make it more friendly".

[waxhead]

Dumbing things down makes OEMs happy. They don't want to deal with the support, less chance of someone bricking their laptop, the better. Most people want that it "just works". The people that care about ME etc aren't most people.

"Just works" can't be said for any Linux distro. If you need a system to revert back to old kernel versions at boot, you're not doing "just works". e.g. Windows will reverse upgrades if an update bricks it.

Well I would have a hard time to agree that Windows "just works" and (successfully) reverse upgrades that brick it. If you consider reinstalling from scratch , then sure - Windows "just" works