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Originally posted by dungeon View PostI expected to read what took them so long Debian Sid rolled it 40 days ago.
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Originally posted by schmidtbag View PostWhat's the point of using sid if you don't update often?
Also, if this is some basic system where you're not doing anything special with it (like a media center) then yeah, of course it'll last for years.
It is mini really, for Desktop i have loaded there just - openbox, fbpanel and spacefm. That is fully functional clickete for meLast edited by dungeon; 20 April 2018, 10:42 AM.
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Originally posted by dungeon View PostI have 11 years old Sid install, but i don't use it nor update it so often - it still works fine... maybe that depends on luck
Joke aside, it is never luck. User needs to know how to manage breakages on any rolling distro, otherwise it is the best to not use it
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Originally posted by chuckula View Postbut sometimes when a bug gets introduced into an upstream package they will merrily pass the bug along to you
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Originally posted by jrch2k8 View PostIn resume, I trust Arch devs enough to wait calmly to glibc hit stable because if is not ready yet for them is not for me.
If a package is in testing for a certain amount of time (I forgot how long) without a bug, it goes to stable, but that does not mean it's bug free.
That's why packages with very few users may move to stable with glaring issues that no one noticed because no one used it in testing.
As long as this is user-based, we need many more users getting testing packages if stable is to be somewhat stable.
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Originally posted by chuckula View Post
Having used Arch for a long time, shit most definitely does break. They do a decent job of trying to clean it up but sometimes when a bug gets introduced into an upstream package they will merrily pass the bug along to you and make it difficult to use the most recently working version of the package. The problem with the rolling release philosophy is that there's minimal regression testing going on to protect you from bad things that happen in the shiny newer versions of many projects. Glibc is probably an exception because it's so fundamental that a showstopper bug will crash everybody's system as opposed to more isolated regressions that don't affect everybody.
Also I believe the combo Pacman/AUR is way more flexible for power users than yum or deb tools are and maybe this has made the difference for me through the years over the non conventional uses I have.
In resume, I trust Arch devs enough to wait calmly to glibc hit stable because if is not ready yet for them is not for me.
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I mean by non conventional uses, stuff like 0 day security patching of production software, custom compiled/optimized base packages, etc.
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Originally posted by phoronix View Postpotential snag die tp Glibc having dropped NIS/NIS+ support.
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Originally posted by schmidtbag View PostUnlike Debian Sid, Arch is actually pretty reliable. I have never had a Sid install that survived more than 2 years without major breakages, meanwhile I've had Arch setups that survived 4+ years just fine.
Joke aside, it is never luck. User needs to know how to manage breakages on any rolling distro, otherwise if you are not capable it is the best to not use it
I never recommend rolling distros, if someone asks me "should i use Sid?" i say No. If you don't ask me, then YesLast edited by dungeon; 20 April 2018, 10:19 AM.
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Originally posted by andrebrait View Post
Even though Arch has bad rep in some circles (underservedly so, imho), it aims (and succeeds at that most of the time) to be a solid, reliable, working system. It's not an unstable version for testing what may become a release in the future.
Remember who Sid is named after.
Arch tends to test things to at least make sure theybat least can give the users orientation on migration procedures. Not like what unstable does.
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