KDE 4.9 Goes Into Beta

[markg85]

Yeah I'm well aware of Plasma themes I just wasn't exactly sure if the tooltips were themed the same way. There's still one thing I'm curious though. What kind of dependensies does this introduce to applications that use it? Will the tooltip part be split from Plasma to its own libary and what theme does it load if Plasma is not installed or will Dophin and System Settings simply depend on libplasma or something? I'm not sure how far the KF5 split will go but I would assume that many KDE apps can be installed without having Plasma in the system at all in the future.

Right now you can only theme the kde panel tooltips since those are done with plasma. The current tooltips from system settings and dolphin are done through the widget theme so have to be themed through that as well.

The intention with the tooltip cleanup that i'm doing is to put them in a library of it's own. "libtooltips" or something like it. This is about certain to be done for kde 5, but since the library is going to be completely independent it might very well be possible that kde 4.10 or 4.11 is going to use this. Along with dolphin and system settings. Once that happens we will FINALLY have a uniform tooltip possibility throughout kde applications.

Any more questions?

[Teho]

And that "little" fact is the case ever since KDE 4 got it's first release so i think you've missed something

Yeah I'm well aware of Plasma themes I just wasn't exactly sure if the tooltips were themed the same way. There's still one thing I'm curious though. What kind of dependensies does this introduce to applications that use it? Will the tooltip part be split from Plasma to its own libary and what theme does it load if Plasma is not installed or will Dophin and System Settings simply depend on libplasma or something? I'm not sure how far the KF5 split will go but I would assume that many KDE apps can be installed without having Plasma in the system at all in the future.

[markg85]

Do I understand it right that the theming actually happens using svgz? This is one of those "small" things that I just can't wait to have =d

Exactly!
And that "little" fact is the case ever since KDE 4 got it's first release so i think you've missed something
They are called "Plasma Themes" and there are quite a few of them: http://kde-look.org/index.php?xconte...c8db5a3cc9ec9b

[Teho]

You can make (or adjust) the plasma dialog theme to fit your needs for the dialog windows.

Do I understand it right that the theming actually happens using svgz? This is one of those "small" things that I just can't wait to have =d

[markg85]

Hi!
First of all, thanks for spending your time fixing bugs. One question, do you think there is any plan on fixing this one:

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275469

It's been around for a long time, and I can still see it in 4.8.3 (gentoo) and previous versions (Ubuntu).

Thanks again!

That issue is a very nasty one. It seems to be coming back, even with the latest KDE and Qt 4.8.1 while it should be fixed. Either way, the entire tasks part of KDE is to be rewritten in QML thus there is no real point in investing time to fix the current stuff.

[markg85]

If they are written in QML could they also be themed and animated easily? It would be nice to have different kind of frames (round, angular, sharp, smooth...) and same kind o behaviour as seen in the Plasma panel in all other applications where when the tooltip is already shown it will follow the mouse and show the next tooltip instantly without delay which then again could be animated nicely and so on and so forth

The answer is both yes and no.

As for animations, yes, you can add those and i'm infact even adding some animations to make it look nicer.
As for theming in QML, yes to a certain degree. I'm using the Dialog component which is actually a Plasma Dialog class (internally) and you can't theme that through QML. However, here is where the beauty of Plasma comes in. You can make (or adjust) the plasma dialog theme to fit your needs for the dialog windows. Only downside is that it will work for _all_ plasma dialog windows, not just the tooltips.

[schnelle]

Thanks for your reply, but unfortunately I can tell you that is not fixed in my notebook. I've got the following output from dolphin:

#dolphin --version
Qt: 4.8.2
KDE Development Platform: 4.8.3 (4.8.3)
Dolphin: 2.0

No sure about Kubuntu, I'm a Gentoo user...

I was very active in that bug report. I even made videos how to reproduce the bug. Everyone in bug report have confirmed that bug is fixed (in Qt). You can try Kubuntu 12.04 liveCD and try to reproduce the bug. If you cannot reproduce it in Kubuntu then something is probably wrong with Gentoo packages.

[jgardia]

That is Qt bug. Not KDE bug. It is fixed in Qt 4.8.1 (type dolphin --version in konsole and you'll see what Qt version you have).

Kubuntu 12.04 doesn't have this bug

Thanks for your reply, but unfortunately I can tell you that is not fixed in my notebook. I've got the following output from dolphin:

#dolphin --version
Qt: 4.8.2
KDE Development Platform: 4.8.3 (4.8.3)
Dolphin: 2.0

No sure about Kubuntu, I'm a Gentoo user...

[schnelle]

Hi!
First of all, thanks for spending your time fixing bugs. One question, do you think there is any plan on fixing this one:

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275469

It's been around for a long time, and I can still see it in 4.8.3 (gentoo) and previous versions (Ubuntu).

Thanks again!

That is Qt bug. Not KDE bug. It is fixed in Qt 4.8.1 (type dolphin --version in konsole and you'll see what Qt version you have).

Kubuntu 12.04 doesn't have this bug

[jgardia]

My fixes in this one:

• Blur behind System Settings tooltips
• Blur behind Dolphin tooltips

Hi!
First of all, thanks for spending your time fixing bugs. One question, do you think there is any plan on fixing this one:

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275469

It's been around for a long time, and I can still see it in 4.8.3 (gentoo) and previous versions (Ubuntu).

Thanks again!