KDE Software Compilation 4.4 Released

[kraftman]

On what hardware driver configuration is KDE4's Konsole faster or equal to KDE3's Konsole?

Afaik in Windows, but there's no QT3 Konsole on Windows if I'm correct. However, you can measure QT4 Konsole performance on Linux and on Windows and I'm almost sure it will be much faster on Windows (like early KDE 4 version was smooth on Windows and lagged on Linux which nVidia binary drivers).

If it's universally slower how is it NVidia's fault?

Simply, their drivers don't accelerate (and you've got to use some tweaks sometimes) many things from QT4:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=109990
http://forums.opensuse.org/install-b...ia-driver.html
http://www.linux-solved.com/post/SOL...GTX-38748.html

The same performance regressions exist on my ATI machine. Should I go find an Intel machine too?

It's probably because those drivers also doesn't provide such acceleration like for QT3. I don't know about Intel. Compare KDE on Windows and on Linux. Btw. last time I tried Gnome apps were slower then QT3/4 apps.

[kraftman]

Fact. More people use gnome. It is true that numbers dont speak quality (or windows would be king, and kind of is unfortunately), But its a fact we just cant ignore.

That's not a fact.

[deanjo]

That's not a fact.

It is at http://www.gnome.org/.

[kraftman]

@Leefer

There are also some factors which gave Gnome advantage when comes to popularity (but it doesn't mean it's more popular then KDE, according to many polls it's not) - it's default DE of well advertised Ubuntu, many long articles are about Gnome or its apps, but KDE is only mentioned here etc. Sometimes Gnome is chosen, because people don't know there's KDE.

@Deanjo

It is at http://www.gnome.org/.

My bad

[KDesk]

Fact. More people use gnome. It is true that numbers dont speak quality (or windows would be king, and kind of is unfortunately), But its a fact we just cant ignore.

KDE has been always the most used DE.

Some polls from LinuxQuestions.org:

Desktop Environment of the Year. KDE wins from 2004 to 2008. Gnome wins 2009 by a small margin.

2004
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...e-year-272100/

2005
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...e-year-409028/

2006
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...e-year-514945/

2007
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...e-year-610190/

2008
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...e-year-695620/

2009
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...e-year-780638/

[Joe Sixpack]

KDE has been always the most used DE.

Some polls from LinuxQuestions.org:

Desktop Environment of the Year. KDE wins from 2004 to 2008. Gnome wins 2009 by a small margin.

2004
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...e-year-272100/

2005
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...e-year-409028/

2006
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...e-year-514945/

2007
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...e-year-610190/

2008
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...e-year-695620/

2009
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...e-year-780638/

And you notice how the only years I voted (2006 & 2007) the numbers for KDE were through the roof?

My opinion counts 10 fold compared to your regular person views.

[BlackStar]

Good, good, things are rolling now, keep it up!

No, this newspost is about a KDE release and then some people are comming in telling how much better they think the idiodic feature of extremely fast console scrolling (so fast you can't even read it, so much for usablilty) makes Gnome better than KDE. That is typical GNOME fanboy behavior. You totally lost your mojo here, trollboy...

Sorry, it was not me who mentioned gnome-terminal first. However, it was you who couldn't accept that Gnome might perform better than KDE in some things.

Btw, the comparison was between konsole3 and konsole4,

Nope, mr short memmory. The comparison was xterm on KDE 3.5 and xterm on KDE 4...

The reference to xterm was tongue in cheek because, frankly, who the hell cares whether xterm runs faster or slower on KDE3 vs KDE4? Or konsole for that matter?

Well, some people apparently do (not me).

Personally, I just wanted to see how long would it take for someone to mention Gnome once I bashed KDE4 (without mentioning Gnome at all). Think of it as an insipid social experiment on the mechanics of trolling.

KDE has been always the most used DE.

Some polls from LinuxQuestions.org:

I find it hilarious that KDE fanboys regularly bash distrowatch.com as biased when it shows that Gnome-centric distros dominate, yet at the same time can refer to linuxquestions.org as if it was an unbiased source. Nice application of selective thinking! (This jab is not directed at you, KDesk, but at some of the regulars here who do this all the time.)

Roll on!

[Alejandro Nova]

V!NCENT not only did you miss my posts point entirly (which was about personal choice, entirly); but you are placing your beliefs as fact.

Fact. More people use gnome. It is true that numbers dont speak quality (or windows would be king, and kind of is unfortunately), But its a fact we just cant ignore.

Myth. KDE is more functional. Just because you can make one environment look like another. or make it pretty. Or do this and do that. If your desktop environment can cook pancakes or give you oral sex. Different people have different needs.


As we can clearly see, assuming everyone has a different "purpose" (which i hope we have in the free world) then everyone has a different perspective on functionality.

KDE has a purpose, i use it. Therefore it has a purpose. Gnome has a purpose, therefore it has a purpose. So quit saying it has no purpose. Dont try and tell me what purpose something else has. Its my freedom to pick that on my own.

Im not out to attack KDE , Im running mandriva right now ffs. However, i am certainly out to attack KDE users who try to tell me why I shouldn't use gnome.

Fact: more people use GNOME because KDE 4.0 was an absolute disaster, and all KDE distros defaulted to GNOME.

Fact 2: with KDE 4.3, at least OpenSUSE returned to a default KDE desktop.

Estimate: with KDE 4.4, a lot of former KDE distros (Mandriva, PCLinuxOS) will feature shiny and feature-rich KDE desktops. Wait 2 years, and let's see how many GNOME distros are left.

[Jimmy]

It's probably because those drivers also doesn't provide such acceleration like for QT3.

The whole thing reminds me of an old blonde joke.

How many KDE4 installs does it take to change a light bulb? Just one. It simply holds the light bulb above its head and waits for the world to revolve around it.

Why not use a more widely supported mechanic (or at least provide the option to) until better support for the newer mechanic materializes. I certainly don't have a lot of faith in ATI, for example, to adapt to KDE in a timely manner.

[rbmorse]

Wait 2 years, and let's see how many GNOME distros are left.

In two years we'll all be running iPads on OS X.