KDE Developers Are Currently Seeing 150~200 Bug Reports Per Day

[TemplarGR]

that so stupid. that means you are happier when a software has more bugs.
what should be a good thing is "having more bugs fixed" and even this is not a very good thing since that means the software still have bugs

No, what is stupid is confusing closed source style of software development with open source.... This is not Windows. The desktop is not being developed in secret, behind closed doors, and with extensive QA cycles from thousands of developers and professional testers. With open source, development happens in the open, and the testing happens by the users. It is what it is.

And even with closed source development, software still releases with tons of bugs that users report after the release. If end users never report those bugs, those bugs are never getting fixed. So someone absolutely HAS TO ENCOUNTER THE BUG AND BOTHER TO REPORT IT! That's the only way YOU are getting a bug free software to use....

Sadly most people don't bother testing alphas, betas, and RCs of open source software, so the tester pool is very limited and many bugs are bound to be unreported. The initial releases of major upgrades are more extensively used and therefore more bugs are getting caught. THAT IS A GOOD THING! Those who use bleeding edge releases like Plasma 6.0.1 KNOW WHAT THEY SIGNED UP FOR! They know and accept the software as-is and understand there may be bugs.

If for whatever reason you want rock solid software, do not use it yet. Let other people test it first and let the devs polish it and try it later. But the number of bug reports are a good thing (tm).

[bug77]

I like the creative way to use the statistics of bug reported into a positive (more people are using KDE). But damn, an uptick in bug reports does not make a project good. It makes me (a potential user) believe that the fundamentals are off somewhere, obviously no project is without bugs but still though... It also makes me believe that the Plasma releases are still not ready.
But credit where credit is due, a healthy community makes the project go strong.

You can spin it like that if you wish, I'll give you my spin:
1. This is a major release, not many people wanted, could or wished to take betas/RCs for a spin. So actual release is where the major uptake happens.
2. Pour as many resources as you wish in the KDE foundation, they will never be able to replicate the infinity of users' setups in their labs. Between multi-screen, VRR, HDMI, DisplayPort, all sorts of input devices, legacy devices... good enough is, realistically speaking, all you hope for.

As a side note, it's very likely many of the bug reports are duplicates. Their big tracker is ancient, the only way you'll find someone else has already reported the same thing is by chance.

[theriddick]

Kind of hope they are able to fix up the SDR to HDR desktop color matching as atm, its a bit desaturated with some overexposed whites for some people.

[user1]

Sadly most people don't bother testing alphas, betas, and RCs of open source software, so the tester pool is very limited and many bugs are bound to be unreported.

I get what you're saying, but it's unrealistic to expect most users to become free beta testers. I mean, people have a job, life, they might be busy all day. So when they come home and turn on their computer for the remaining hour or two of the day, they expect a stable, reliable working system. You might disagree with me, but let's be honest, the average Windows or Mac user doesn't even know how to report bugs. He just turns on his system and it just works. Of course I'm not implying that Windows or Mac are bug free, but that's the reality. And imo it's not a good look on open source software that requires a huge and endless amount of user testing in order to remain stable and usable. At least to me, this is a rather sad reality. But given these circumstances, I completely agree that it's a good thing there's a huge increase in bug reports with the release of a new major version.

[bug77]

I get what you're saying, but it's unrealistic to expect most users to become free beta testers. I mean, people have a job, life, they might be busy all day. So when they come home and turn on their computer for the remaining hour or two of the day, they expect a stable, reliable working system. You might disagree with me, but let's be honest, the average Windows or Mac user doesn't even know how to report bugs. He just turns on his system and it just works. Of course I'm not implying that Windows or Mac are bug free, but that's the reality. And imo it's not a good look on open source software that requires a huge and endless amount of user testing in order to remain stable and usable. At least to me, this is a rather sad reality.

I would point out that Mac and Windows users don't know how to report bugs not because the software is bug-free, like you said, but because both OSes have built-in reporting means. Try to implement that in OSS and people will burn you to the stake because telemetry or automated reporting is supposed to be the devil.

[ireri]

As a side note, it's very likely many of the bug reports are duplicates. Their big tracker is ancient, the only way you'll find someone else has already reported the same thing is by chance.

Although if you are submitting bugs via Dr. Konqi, it will tell you of similar bugs if you have installed debug symbols.

[user1]

I would point out that Mac and Windows users don't know how to report bugs not because the software is bug-free, like you said, but because both OSes have built-in reporting means. Try to implement that in OSS and people will burn you to the stake because telemetry or automated reporting is supposed to be the devil.

At least Fedora and Ubuntu both have a crash report tool that automatically generates a crash dump of any crashed app. So it's not like OSS doesn't have such things at all. And AFAIK, both Gnome and KDE have some kind of opt-in telemetry. When it comes to telemetry, I do think that it should be just enabled for everyone, because otherwise it's kinda usless if only the minority voluntarily enable it. Personally, I fine with some level of telemetry, but not to the point of tracking every minute of my computer usage, which software I use and how much time, like on Windows.

[bug77]

Although if you are submitting bugs via Dr. Konqi, it will tell you of similar bugs if you have installed debug symbols.

And so does their bug tracker (I'm guessing that's where Dr Konqi pull the data from, too). It's just that is does a poor job out of it.

[fallingcats]

I am using Kubuntu after seeing that it is even faster than XFCE (at least on my AMD system) - since 20.04 at least.
Then I used KDE neon with 20.04 LTS (coming a year thereafter as this is based on x.04.1 and changing additions
like desnapping with 22.04 LTS - the current base of KDE neon.
I got interested in KDE for hooking in more and more KDE programs under Xubuntu (XFCE) in the last 7 years - and
wanted to see what they are offering as package.
I really came to hate GNOME due to the forced lack of configuration (I was RHCE and AIX/HP-UX/Solaris/OSF1
Unix specialist).
When working schemes were possible with old window managers like fvwm or CDE, there is no excuse to limit users
and not offering such standard options (which is of cause my point of view and others may differ).

I am using KDE neon in User Edition (one may call it stable) - and when offered KDE 6 I just updated ... this was
not my best decision ... as the update went wrong:
1) I am using 4k 31" and the scale got lost - very tiny font till I get to the option (it was different before:
HiDPI / scaling).
2) All consoles are gone with session save (automatically as well as manually) after reboot and are no longer respawned
when booting.
Manually save session does not work at all (I select 'save session' and get no hint that it was saved - and
it does not respawn those console windows.
3) There is an ugly line at the bottom (bright in all colours like stuck pixels) and one to the right as if the graphics
is no longer correct. This was not the case with the same system under KDE 5.27.10 - I have never seen such a
strange pattern.

So I would have selected KDE 5.27.11 (fresh version after 6.0.1) for User Edition and would have tested
with Testing edition till update works perfectly ... this was not done after my findings.
I am confused that 6.0.1 was released but right now it is not offered to KDE neon User Edition ... maybe
they still wait for some nasty things to be fixed.

I am still a fan of KDE - ocular is fantastic - like a lot of other KDE programs ... and I want to work under
KDE as DE - and the KDE developers did an outstanding job in making KDE stack rolling on KDE neon.
And that after more than 3 years without any problem (I install a lot and use a lot of programs - so this
does mean a lot) I am willing to accept that getting 6.0 to the same stability will work ... and I am worried
about switching to Wayland ... but we will all see how it will go.
I am a classic Workstation User (I started in sciences: Physics & Astronomy) and thus I am working
in old school mode ... and this is the way to reach quality: 8 virtual screens - 9 terminal windows each,
every place for something else (like web managemen, programming, general task, music/video,
TeX/LaTeX [presentations/papers ...]).

Currently I don't know how to spawn /usr/bin/konsole the way to populate all virtual screens with
a simple script I was accustomed to using with XFCE - i.e. a lot of lines like:
xfce4-terminal --geometry 80x22+1530+1509 --working-directory=/home/user/mails -T "User@`hostname` `date +%a.,\ %d.%m.%Y\ %H:%M:%S`" &
and would like to have a possibility to spawn konsoles across all virtual screens with similar script commands.
As this would make me independant from the session saving feature.

It's a hassle to set up either way, but you could do one of two things:

• Spawn multiple konsole windows with custom names and use window rules to place them, or
• write a kwin script to organize them

The first one is probably easier.

[hyperchaotic]

In terms of bugs the new Plasma is regressed 1000% on KDe Neon.

Just to say.

Plasma 6.0.1 is not available yet for KDe Neon users at least...

Why don't to allow users to stay with Plasma 5 until Plasma 6 was usable?

" Who is KDE neon for? 🔗

KDE neon is intended for those who want to experience the latest and greatest KDE software as quickly as possible. Though KDE developers endeavor to minimize bugs and maximize stability, using the latest software the moment it's released will inevitably result in a less stable experience compared to distros that delay software by days, weeks, or months. As such, the ideal KDE neon user is someone excited to use the latest and greatest KDE software who can tolerate some bumps in the road from time to time, not someone with mission-critical reliability needs."

In addition as the showcase KDE distro and in their rush to get Plasma 6 out the door first, KDE Neon royally messed up the upgrade and have a large number of issues not seen on other distros with Plasma 6, due to integration issues.