Xfce 4.20 Aiming For Usable Wayland Support While Maintaining X11 Compatibility

[phoronix]

Phoronix: Xfce 4.20 Aiming For Usable Wayland Support While Maintaining X11 Compatibility

Xfce developers have updated their Wayland roadmap this week to reflect their latest plans around the Xfce 4.20 release...

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Xfce-4.20-Wayland-Roadmap

[pracedru]

This is great news. Looking forward to this.

[Sethox]

Wayland sure getting more and more active desktop/practical support. Doesn't make it perfect, just that the usage of Wayland is active. XWayland still exists for the legacy applications (but not all features of X11/X.org).
The move to Wayland seems to be clear, so let's see what the future will hold..

Also good work XFCE project to at least work on Wayland.

[davidbepo]

version number sure does check out

[avis]

This is great news. Looking forward to this.

Nothing is great about that, I mean the delay is horrible.

Hopefully one day this will be noticed and addressed once and for all: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayla...d/-/issues/233

Unless of course people are fine with:

note: some compositors don't implement the last two features properly!

[ThomasD]

wlroots is a great choice

[scottishduck]

Shaping up to be a great 2030 release

[Rovano]

They're going well!

[oiaohm]

Unless of course people are fine with:

note: some compositors don't implement the last two features properly!

This is not as big of problem as you attempt to make it out. Run wine inside gamescope and gamescope does the scaler so if the include scaler user interface compositor is bad this is covered for. Stacking wayland compositors is a thing.

Avis something to consider most monitor scalars is bad.

Yes a monitor/tv/... has a native format that does not use the scaler everything else uses the scaler People buy items for retro consoles like retrotink for up to 600 dollars to basically replace the scaler in their monitor to get decent quality output.

Avis the problem here is basically modern monitor have cost cut on scaler hardware so much that the quality of output is poor to start off with. The best scaling of a program output as retrotink shows need to be configured on a program by program base..


Like it or not GPU scaler can do a way better job than the scaler included in your monitor.. Yes it likely that only item like gamescope will include all the different scaler options to scale legacy applications well and your general wayland compositors only include basic scaler. CRT emulation using HDR and high res nd so on.

[avis]

This is not as big of problem as you attempt to make it out. Run wine inside gamescope and gamescope does the scaler so if the include scaler user interface compositor is bad this is covered for. Stacking wayland compositors is a thing.

Avis something to consider most monitor scalars is bad.

Yes a monitor/tv/... has a native format that does not use the scaler everything else uses the scaler People buy items for retro consoles like retrotink for up to 600 dollars to basically replace the scaler in their monitor to get decent quality output.

Avis the problem here is basically modern monitor have cost cut on scaler hardware so much that the quality of output is poor to start off with. The best scaling of a program output as retrotink shows need to be configured on a program by program base..


Like it or not GPU scaler can do a way better job than the scaler included in your monitor.. Yes it likely that only item like gamescope will include all the different scaler options to scale legacy applications well and your general wayland compositors only include basic scaler. CRT emulation using HDR and high res nd so on.

This is not a problem unless it is.

And then the duplication of effort is just insane. People bemoaned that there were no resources to maintain the single Xorg server but maintaining 150 Wayland implementations is suddenly OK. And then ... it is a effing serious problem 'cause otherwise all the Wayland compositors would have implemented all the protocol features right away but in reality everything is getting implemented at a snail's pace piece by piece for each individual compositor.