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Originally posted by 240Hz View PostNvidia runs just fine on X. Its wayland that doesnt run on the majority of consumer and enterprise GPUs. therefore wayland is a joke. But yeah, stick to your political puriatnism if it makes you feel betterAs of the fourth quarter of 2023, Intel was the biggest vendor in the PC GPU market worldwide, occupying 67 percent of the market.
Not even close. 63% of GPU out there are Intel. 19% of GPU are in fact AMD and 18% is Nvidia. So the majority of consumer and enterprise GPU out there is Intel. Yes this is counting all your GPU in CPUs as well as your cards. Most people have no clue how many machines dell, hp.... make for business that are only integrated graphics with no possibility of putting in a graphics card.
Wayland does support over 80 percent of the PC general market GPUs. When you get into performance fields these numbers are way different with Nvidia leading at this stage.
240Hz enterprise has a lot of usage cases where powerful GPU is pointless. Think point of sales computer what use is a powerful GPU there? What about the computer you are doing accountancy on another case were intel cpu integrated GPU is good enough. There is a huge number of x86 computers made every year that could not run a modern game at all but for where they are used in enterprise that is not required either. Enterprise GPU market has a massive amount of integrated Intel and a growing amd APU with GPU cards being in limited systems. Consumer GPU market is more Nvidia is also more game focused and more likely to in fact have a GPU card.
240Hz I guess you have been presuming that the consumer and enterprise are close to the same reality they are not. Wayland if you take enterprise alone in GPU in systems you will find with its AMD/Intel combination is 95% market coverage. GPU cards in enterprise are the rarity not the common and Nvidia market share in enterprise is not really that high.
Consumer and Enterprise PC markets are very different.
240Hz you would have been right if you had just said consumer GPUs you are wrong when you say consumer and enterprise GPUs because that basically flips the way it looks on it ear due to how far dominated by integrated graphics/APU that enterprise market is.
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Hi @Michael,
The title is misleading: you said that two projects joined KWinFT, but in fact nobody joined (supported) the KWin fork and the author had to fork two more libraries on his own.
Please correct the title to prevent the wrong impression about hypothetical KWinFT support.
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Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
As of the fourth quarter of 2023, Intel was the biggest vendor in the PC GPU market worldwide, occupying 67 percent of the market.
Not even close. 63% of GPU out there are Intel. 19% of GPU are in fact AMD and 18% is Nvidia. So the majority of consumer and enterprise GPU out there is Intel. Yes this is counting all your GPU in CPUs as well as your cards. Most people have no clue how many machines dell, hp.... make for business that are only integrated graphics with no possibility of putting in a graphics card.
Wayland does support over 80 percent of the PC general market GPUs. When you get into performance fields these numbers are way different with Nvidia leading at this stage.
240Hz enterprise has a lot of usage cases where powerful GPU is pointless. Think point of sales computer what use is a powerful GPU there? What about the computer you are doing accountancy on another case were intel cpu integrated GPU is good enough. There is a huge number of x86 computers made every year that could not run a modern game at all but for where they are used in enterprise that is not required either. Enterprise GPU market has a massive amount of integrated Intel and a growing amd APU with GPU cards being in limited systems. Consumer GPU market is more Nvidia is also more game focused and more likely to in fact have a GPU card.
240Hz I guess you have been presuming that the consumer and enterprise are close to the same reality they are not. Wayland if you take enterprise alone in GPU in systems you will find with its AMD/Intel combination is 95% market coverage. GPU cards in enterprise are the rarity not the common and Nvidia market share in enterprise is not really that high.
Consumer and Enterprise PC markets are very different.
240Hz you would have been right if you had just said consumer GPUs you are wrong when you say consumer and enterprise GPUs because that basically flips the way it looks on it ear due to how far dominated by integrated graphics/APU that enterprise market is.
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Originally posted by 144Hz View Posttildearrow The de-cute effort is an opinion AND an ongoing action. The kwin forkers are doing the work right now. Removing Qt deps because Qtwayland is very poor fit for wayland desktops. It’s not something you can stop.
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Originally posted by miabrahams View PostThat is an interesting total-market statistic but doesn't say much about desktop workstations where people would be installing Gnome or KDE. I also have Intel integrated graphics as well as NVidia, so my machine would get counted as one of both, but I only actually care about whether the NVidia cards work.
Intel has the largest number of computers as their GPU alone there is not enough AMD or Nvidia gpus made to covert the Intel ones.
There are a lot business workstations and laptops where the only GPU is the Intel one. This may change as AMD APU get more market share. Nvidia is not competing in this integrated market at all.
Originally posted by 240Hz View PostI am sure wayland runs nicely on servers without a GUI lol ,
Originally posted by 240Hz View PostThose who need GPUs need Nvidia and Wayland doesn't cut it
1) your average desktop if you don't split it by targeted market is most Intel graphics over 60%. Because majority of your desktop computers really don't need to do much. Some word-processing, accountancy, email, web serous-ally this workloads really don't need a decanted on card GPU.
AMD and Nvidia are the biggest names in gaming, PC gaming that is, but that’s not to say they don’t have a hand in consoles too. In this article, we’re
2) the majority of graphics cards sold are mid range or lower. When I say majority I mean over 90 percent.
Reality is not what most want to hear those who really do need a Nvidia GPU card for what they are doing is really in the 1% of the market or less. 99 percent of the market is midrange GPU or lower requirement to get job done that can be serviced by AMD cards or intel intergrated or AMD APU.
Do we really need to bend over backwards for 1% of the market.
Of course those who have a Nvidia card and would have to change is another mater.
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Originally posted by 144Hz View Posttildearrow The de-cute effort is an opinion AND an ongoing action. The kwin forkers are doing the work right now. Removing Qt deps because Qtwayland is very poor fit for wayland desktops. It’s not something you can stop.
Obviously there is no ongoing "de-cute" effort in KDE.
And it's only one kwin forker, so no plural.
Of course Qtwayland is very a good fit for Wayland desktops. Using it for desktop applications that is. And it is a good fit for applications under other Wayland use cases, as proven by the millions of devices shipped with it. On a application level, there are really no meaningful difference for desktops or others, with regards to Wayland so that's a non issue.
The fact he is mixing up, is that Qtwayland is not the right fit for some parts of a Wayland compositor, like KWin. Since Qtwayland is developed for applications not compositors, this is not a surprise. And this is something the KWin developers have made clear years ago, more or less from the start of the Wayland port.
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Originally posted by Morty View Post
Since Qtwayland is developed for applications not compositors, this is not a surprise
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Originally posted by Morty View Post
As always, nosense and factually incorrect from 144Hz. But as trolling goes, not to bad. He exaggerate and mixing up facts, so classic troll behavior. A little surprising that, but I suspect the "quality" of the trolling is more a coincidence than actual skill on his part. Since I have long since realized he is not a real troll, but classified him as not to bright with zealot tendencies.
- successfully lures people to like him and make his crusade grow
- makes accounts to like himself
Originally posted by Morty View PostObviously there is no ongoing "de-cute" effort in KDE.
And it's only one kwin forker, so no plural.
KWin forker here.
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