Ubuntu 24.04 Boosts Performance, Outperforming Windows 11 On The AMD Ryzen Framework 16 Laptop

[richardnpaul]

Ars Tecnicha was bashing Framework a few days ago for failure to keep up with software and firmware updates - https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024...rking-on-them/

Framework responded and said they're trying to improve their processes - https://frame.work/au/en/blog/enabli...ware-longevity

I wouldn't have characterised it as bashing. They highlighted an issue that behind the scenes Framework were well aware of and already had plans in motion and progress being made on the issues at hand.

[andyprough]

I wouldn't have characterised it as bashing. They highlighted an issue that behind the scenes Framework were well aware of and already had plans in motion and progress being made on the issues at hand.

Disagree. Headline says in part, "Framework's software and firmware have been a mess", and in the article it says, "Driver bundles remain un-updated for years after their initial release. BIOS updates go through long and confusing beta processes, keeping users from getting feature improvements, bug fixes, and security updates. In its community support forums, Framework employees, including founder and CEO Nirav Patel, have acknowledged these issues and promised fixes but have remained inconsistent and vague about actual timelines."

The "issue" you talk about is a UEFI security vulnerability that went unaddressed for a year-and-a-half.

If true, then this is well-deserved bashing that will hopefully spur the company to improving its software and firmware update processes and its timelines.

[aviallon]

most likely they are down to 100% being compiler related, this is not tests that in any meaningful way stress the scheduler and as you say the CPU bound tests (which basically is all of them) should be 100% identical since they are all doing their stuff in userspace in tight loops. Now there are ofc other things that can affect this, like Windows scheduler not liking a single cpu to go to 100% load when the others are free so it instead tosses such a process around so the load is equal on all cores at the same time leading to much increased latency and/or differences in memory management.

Blender famously benefits from the way the memory is managed and the way the scheduler works in Linux.

[HEL88]

Trillions of dollars, thousands of “top engineers” for 30+ years: yet bloated perf, crappy unconventional foundations from msdos heritage, still packed with unchanged UIs from vista/xp/older.

I would feel ashamed by the result if I was them.

But aren't you ashamed that Linux, after 30 years of development, still has problems with stability and GUI quality? And the threads about X11 and Wayland and their problems are a soap opera.

Don't you feel ashamed that there is no Virtualization-based Security implemented, where on Windows as you can turn it on and off with one click??? (probably on Linux it will appear as a stanard in a few years, just like MAC in the form of AppArmor or SeLinux).

For that you would be ashamed for the fact that some programs whose names you do not associate and which you do not use run slower .

[mrg666]

Thanks for such a comprehensive performance comparison, Michael. On the other end of hardware capability, on a dual core CPU (core m7 6y75) Dell latitude 7370, Ubuntu 24.04 feels like a hardware upgrade compared to Win 11. It is so obvious, no benchmarks necessary. So I am not surprised at all. Wine and Linux combination never looked more compelling to replace Windows.

[rmfx]

But aren't you ashamed that Linux, after 30 years of development, still has problems with stability and GUI quality? And the threads about X11 and Wayland and their problems are a soap opera.

Don't you feel ashamed that there is no Virtualization-based Security implemented, where on Windows as you can turn it on and off with one click??? (probably on Linux it will appear as a stanard in a few years, just like MAC in the form of AppArmor or SeLinux).

For that you would be ashamed for the fact that some programs whose names you do not associate and which you do not use run slower .

Ashamed ? I feel proud ! Because everything was achieved with such tiny a fraction of the funds Windows had, yet the final result is much better globally.

Stability is amazing, dunno what you are talking about. I rarely have system crashes. Very rarely DE crashes too actually.
UIs with Linux are amazing, I use MATE and it's great. Soon, the amazing COSMIC will be available, and it will have nothing to envy to any DE/UIs.
Now we have Wayland compositors getting better and better, Pipewire that makes sound under Linux as good as MacOS, Vulkan in a great shape, Flatpaks getting standard for easier app distribution, Wine/DXVK/Proton bringing the best games on the platform better than ever...

Linux is amazing. The only thing I wish is that The Linux Foundation does a reference distribution model, to reduce fragmentation and allow an easier development target.

[Volta]

With performance governor Linux would have 100% wins here. Windows evolved from DOS toy OS. It was never designed with security and performance in mind. It's not possible to rewrite it, because it will break everything. That's why they're 'patching' security with layers, but it doesn't work. When comes to Linux they're able to replace even core legacy stuff as happened many times already. Better start (POSIX not DOS) and manpower are Linux' strengths.

P.S. if Windows wasn't such monolith and had good commit history it would be in better situation, but still it evolved from DOS.

[Volta]

But aren't you ashamed that Linux, after 30 years of development, still has problems with stability and GUI quality? And the threads about X11 and Wayland and their problems are a soap opera.

Don't you feel ashamed that there is no Virtualization-based Security implemented, where on Windows as you can turn it on and off with one click??? (probably on Linux it will appear as a stanard in a few years, just like MAC in the form of AppArmor or SeLinux).

Aren't you ashamed Windows is such slow, insecure and unstable mess after all those years? Did you forget Windows' Virtualization-based Security is a joke in practice? Did you also forget Linux is years ahead in security? More than that, because Windows is broken by design. It will always be terrible from security standpoint. Aren't you ashamed you must pay for this crap?

Microsoft March 2024 Patch Tuesday fixes 60 flaws, 18 RCE bugs
Microsoft February 2024 Patch Tuesday fixes 2 zero-days, 73 flaws
Microsoft April 2024 Patch Tuesday fixes 150 security flaws, 67 RCEs
Microsoft fixes two Windows zero-days exploited in malware attacks

It's damn funny when winboys talk about 'security'! Furthermore, there's always huge risk when updating Windows. It breaks terribly.

[Tuxee]

But aren't you ashamed that Linux, after 30 years of development, still has problems with stability and GUI quality? And the threads about X11 and Wayland and their problems are a soap opera.

Don't you feel ashamed that there is no Virtualization-based Security implemented, where on Windows as you can turn it on and off with one click??? (probably on Linux it will appear as a stanard in a few years, just like MAC in the form of AppArmor or SeLinux).

For that you would be ashamed for the fact that some programs whose names you do not associate and which you do not use run slower .

The usual HEL88 trolling. Lame and predicable as usual. Needs refinement to become some serious baiting.

[Volta]

Don't you feel ashamed that there is no Virtualization-based Security implemented, where on Windows as you can turn it on and off with one click??? (probably on Linux it will appear as a stanard in a few years, just like MAC in the form of AppArmor or SeLinux).

Stupid troll is clueless as well:

MAC on Windows: 2007

MAC on Linux: 2000

So WTF you're talking here about?