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  • sophisticles
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    Originally posted by rmfx View Post
    MSFT market cap as of April 18th 2024 : 3.003 Trillion dollars ( = 3003 Billions dollars, 3 003 000 000 000 dollars ).

    So yes, I mean it, TRILLIONS with a S of dollars.
    I think you need to look up the definition of market cap.

    Market cap is the total dollar market value of a company's outstanding shares of stock​, i.e. a company has issued 1 million shares of stock at a price of $1 their market cap is...say it with me, 1 million dollars.

    The fact that MSFT has a market cap of 1 trillion dollars does not mean they spent 1 trillion million dollars developing Windows.

    That statement is so stupid is hurts, lol.

    It also hurts that people don't know enough of about basic economics that they upvoted your comment.

    Originally posted by rmfx View Post
    PS: your plan makes no sense, why would they start with external opensource code bases, they could simply clean up their own, ditching things from the past without relying on adopting bsd. Same for the UI, they made their own toolkit. What they need is to ditch retro compatibility and crappy bad habits for their next Windows and start clean for real. They all they need for it, it's more a matter of want then can.
    My plan is based on the fact that MS already has a fully functional Linux distro available for download and actively supports the Linux Foundation financially.

    The GPL is not commercially friendly so it would not make sense for MS to base their next version if Windows on Linux but they do have the expertise to make a great BSD based Windows.

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  • t1r0nama
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    Originally posted by HEL88 View Post


    Let's take a look at the Linux kernel:
    https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerabi...c-1/Linux.html

    This year alone 220 vulnerabilities were patched in the Linux kernel. That comes out to two vulnerabilities a day ONLY in the KERNEL - yes, 60 vulnerabilities per month in only kernel!

    How about KDE?
    https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerabi...id-77/KDE.html

    160 vulnerabilities in 2024 alone.

    How about GNOME:
    https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerabi...283/Gnome.html

    260 vulnerabilities only in 2024.

    And the rest of the system components?

    The moral of this is that Linux is full of vulnerabilities Much more than Windows.

    In addition, the Widnows desktop is also much more stable, so it is the basis for desktops in corporations, work on it, lawyers, managers, board of directors, CEO. And not on Linux. And the fact that it is a little slower is not a problem. Because more important is the stability and quality of the desktop.

    As if Linux on desktop was better then companies would have switched to it long ago. But it isn't. Companies would rather spend a bunch of money on a license than fight with Linux.

    Linux works well on servers. Where it has well-paid administrators and where care 24/7 like in intensive care.​​
    Lol number of vulnerabilities disclosed means that linux kernel is thoroughly looked into and fixed. If you think that windows having less number of vulnerabilities disclosed means it's better i have a news for you: You have no idea how this all works. It may very well have much much more of those, but MS does not tell you this.

    Corporations and others you mentioned work on windows because it's commercial and has commercial support + have specific programs. It has absolutely nothing to do with stability. If stability was an issue linux would not be used on EVERY single TOP 500 supercomputers, >95% web servers, smart appliances, routers, SpaceX rocket, electric cars and so on. It's highly customizable, more efficient on hardware, much more stable and secure.

    You contradict yourself by saying that windows is more stable and admitting that linux works well on servers. You think server people are stupid using less stable OS for a computer that is meant to run 24/7?
    Last edited by t1r0nama; 21 April 2024, 11:27 AM.

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  • Weasel
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    Originally posted by HEL88 View Post





    Pick one.
    Rock solid = doesn't crash randomly unless it's broken by a bug and in that case crashes all the time (so you need to revert, easy to do). Never had a BSOD by using it normally for years unless my hardware was actually dead.

    Some GUIs are good enough, like old Windows classic GUIs. You have choice here. If you're stuck choosing either GNOME or Windows GUI, my sympathies.

    As for backwards compatibility, that has nothing to do with "stability" in terms of "crashes". Stability can have multiple meanings. Breaking on update because of API changes is a different kind of stability. I agree about this one. That's one area where Windows is better. Probably the only one.

    There's other areas where Windows is equal though, but not better.

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  • mSparks
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    Originally posted by rmfx View Post

    MSFT market cap as of April 18th 2024 : 3.003 Trillion dollars ( = 3003 Billions dollars, 3 003 000 000 000 dollars ).

    So yes, I mean it, TRILLIONS with a S of dollars.

    PS: your plan makes no sense, why would they start with external opensource code bases, they could simply clean up their own, ditching things from the past without relying on adopting bsd. Same for the UI, they made their own toolkit. What they need is to ditch retro compatibility and crappy bad habits for their next Windows and start clean for real. They all they need for it, it's more a matter of want then can.
    You forgot to consider a lot of the costs to the companies who used windows. MS and their dependants will have burnt through all that several times over even once you exclude the majority of 2024 MS value which has nothing to do with windows (80% or smth of that market cap comes from linkedin, azure and office)

    windows is basically abandonware at this point.

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  • OmniNegro
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    To those who would pretend that MS not admitting they have as many if not far, far more bugs... Linux is happy to have bug reports. See these reports are required to do something Windoze is horribly bad at. Fixing bugs.

    Linux knows bugs exist. Freely admits they exist, and seeks input to help them target, identify and remedy those bugs. Windoze does some of this, but they are simply not even remotely honest about it. If you want to believe otherwise, feel free. But do not pretend they are better because they want you to think they are.

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  • HEL88
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    Originally posted by Weasel View Post
    Linux is rock solid.

    GUI quality is good enough if you know what to choose. GNOME is an atrocity, but then again so is Windows GUI nowadays since Windows 8 and up. So what's your point?

    Linux suffers from userland being a mess of a platform without backwards compatibility and a million breaking changes. But that can be alleviated with Wine which also runs your Windows apps so...




    Pick one.

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  • duby229
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    Unapproved post, I used a word that flagged it....

    Anyway, dumbest oxymoron ever ^^^

    EDIT: A lack of bug reporting portals and bug reports does not equal a lack of bugs. In fact all the bug reporting portals and bug reports is a GOOD thing... The fact that you can find these bug reports and post them here is one of the things that most definitely make Linux and its ecosystem FAR better than windows.,,
    Last edited by duby229; 19 April 2024, 11:14 AM.

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  • duby229
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    Originally posted by HEL88 View Post


    Let's take a look at the Linux kernel:
    https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerabi...c-1/Linux.html

    This year alone 220 vulnerabilities were patched in the Linux kernel. That comes out to two vulnerabilities a day ONLY in the KERNEL - yes, 60 vulnerabilities per month in only kernel!

    How about KDE?
    https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerabi...id-77/KDE.html

    160 vulnerabilities in 2024 alone.

    How about GNOME:
    https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerabi...283/Gnome.html

    260 vulnerabilities only in 2024.

    And the rest of the system components?

    The moral of this is that Linux is full of vulnerabilities Much more than Windows.
    You're joking right?

    Linux and open source projects have bug reporting portals for a very good reason. The lack of publicly available bug reporting portals and bug reports doesn't make Windows better. In fact it makes it far worse. You literally just spouted one of the most retarded oxymorons you could possibly have made.

    Just because you can find bug reports for Linux and open source projects and you can't find them for windows doesn't make windows better.

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  • HEL88
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    Originally posted by Volta View Post


    MAC on Windows: 2007

    MAC on Linux: 2000

    So WTF you're talking here about?
    Yes in the past linux was faster to implement modern security.

    But now Windows has come out on top and introduced security features that Linux can only dream about for now.

    Now Linux is behind Windows - this is a fact.
    Last edited by HEL88; 19 April 2024, 11:55 AM.

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  • HEL88
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    Originally posted by Volta View Post
    Windows evolved from DOS toy OS.(....).

    P.S. if Windows wasn't such monolith and had good commit history it would be in better situation, but still it evolved from DOS.

    You write that Windows originated from DOS and such lies, only pass here - among Linux fanboys. Everyone knows that Windows originated from VMS, actually the MICA project from DEC. KernelNT and Win32 have nothing to do with DOS.


    Why do you write such nonsense? What makes you write lies? Frustration??? Are you a storyteller by character?

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