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  • #71
    There is so much ridiculous hyperbole in most of these replies.

    And phoronix's (and other website's are guilty of this too) completely sensationalist clickbait headline does not help.

    1. All this is is a few sponsored links being present on the new tab page on a clean install of firefox. they go away once the new tab page becomes populated with your own most visited and/or pinned sites. These are just new tab page tiles that would otherwise be empty.

    2. If you have an existing install with a populated new tab page, you won't even see any ads, because they only appear on new tab page tiles that would otherwise be blank (which in most cases is just on a clean install). This is barely even any different from opera's speed dial being populated with example links from amazon, facebook etc... on a clean install.

    3. You can easily completely disable the new tab page tiles, one single click.

    This is the biggest amount of hyperbole and people making a mountain out of a molehill I've ever seen. Its just some sponsored example links on the goddamn new tab page. There's no invasion of privacy, the 'ads' aren't intrusive at all.

    Google being the default search and being the default home page in firefox is just as much of an 'ad' as this is. Mozilla currently depends far too much on google for revenue for developing firefox, so it is important that they diversify.

    So much idiots acting like this is the end of firefox and that they are forcing ads everywhere. their proposed implementation is simple and as unobtrusive as it gets.


    And the people saying that they will switch to chrome/chromium because of this... just lmao, that would be the most nonsensical and misguided reason to switch imaginable. chrome may not have any sponsored links, but they do send all of your info to google by default which is much worse.
    Last edited by bwat47; 02-12-2014, 07:21 PM.

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    • #72
      Ads belong on websites, not in software. I will not be upgrading to a version of Firefox that has adware in it. I am currently using version 26.0 and that's likely to be the last version I use. I'll continue using this version from now until the end of time, even though using an old version of a web browser isn't safe.

      The best way for you to make money, in my opinion, is to ask for donations.

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      • #73
        Originally posted by Bomyne View Post
        Ads belong on websites, not in software.
        -1 dont want ads in my websites either

        Originally posted by Bomyne View Post
        The best way for you to make money, in my opinion, is to ask for donations.
        +1 for oss and content


        wow - i hadn't expected such a ok level in a discussion about capitalism in a tech forum
        I think communism is a struggle against suppression in every aspect of human living. It is about trying to satisfy as much needs as possible of every single person.

        Maybe a communistic aproach (with lots of assumtions and simplification of course):
        What is the desire?
        A - Read about the newest hardware and open source software.
        M - Work less. Have a stable material basis of existence.

        Expectatioin of how to get there?
        A - open phoronix page and dont get disturbed by ads
        M - Work hard to setup a well-known and respected company to earn money with it

        Problems?
        Noone knows anything personal about each other. Personal as
        - How do you live?
        - What is your economical base? (Do you have to work? How long? How hard? Money in a bank? Gonna get a rent?)
        - Do you feel having a safe future?
        - Do you expereance discrimination?
        Different understanding of /capitalism/ and /communism/
        Capitalism or -how we all relate to each other economically- is fucked up:
        We all have to deal with capitalism. Capitalism has ownership as its base. Ownership should prevent us to just take what we want. In Capitalism ownership can change, if both parties agree in a "free" deal. Enforce exchange otherwise (steal, give, ...) is not capitalistic itself, but reflects ownership as well. Money is the way to make deals easy. The production of almost everything happens in capitalistic conditions (exchange of property is the dominat form like bying food). Even further: Most things are only produced cause they promise to bring profit. If a product cant be sold for a certain profit noone produces it, no matter if people dye. On the otherhand: some poducts that (can) kill people bring high profits. Capitalism dont care about people, if they connot pay. You say production in captialism is to satisfy our needs? Then why do people dye of starvation while mankind is able to produce microelectronics? Why do people have no house or are thrown in prison cause they used public transport without ticket? Why do so many people fatasize about good free markets and bad banks?

        Solution?
        Well, I dont think we can even have the same idea of what capitalism is and why it is bad in this thread. Why the US is not evil and neither banks are. In some cases they have not many options if they behave according to capitalistic roules.

        But what about trying a transparent way of crowdfunding? M tells how much money he needs from the community for not having any ads on the page - lets say for half a year - and maybe it works and can be continued. How much money can he get from 1000 Hits?

        Cheers

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        • #74
          Originally posted by Bomyne View Post
          Ads belong on websites, not in software.
          -1 dont want ads in my websites either

          Originally posted by Bomyne View Post
          The best way for you to make money, in my opinion, is to ask for donations.
          +1 for oss and content


          wow - i hadn't expected such a ok level in a discussion about capitalism in a tech forum
          I think communism is a struggle against suppression in every aspect of human living. It is about trying to satisfy as much needs as possible of every single person.

          Maybe a communistic aproach (with lots of assumtions and simplification of course):
          What is the desire?
          A - Read about the newest hardware and open source software.
          M - Work less. Have a stable material basis of existence.

          Expectatioin of how to get there?
          A - open phoronix page and dont get disturbed by ads
          M - Work hard to setup a well-known and respected company to earn money with it

          Problems?
          Noone knows anything personal about each other. Personal as
          - How do you live?
          - What is your economical base? (Do you have to work? How long? How hard? Money in a bank? Gonna get a rent?)
          - Do you feel having a safe future?
          - Do you expereance discrimination?
          Different understanding of /capitalism/ and /communism/
          Capitalism or -how we all relate to each other economically- is fucked up:
          We all have to deal with capitalism. Capitalism has ownership as its base. Ownership should prevent us to just take what we want. In Capitalism ownership can change, if both parties agree in a "free" deal. Enforce exchange otherwise (steal, give, ...) is not capitalistic itself, but reflects ownership as well. Money is the way to make deals easy. The production of almost everything happens in capitalistic conditions (exchange of property is the dominat form like bying food). Even further: Most things are only produced cause they promise to bring profit. If a product cant be sold for a certain profit noone produces it, no matter if people dye. On the otherhand: some poducts that (can) kill people bring high profits. Capitalism dont care about people, if they connot pay. You say production in captialism is to satisfy our needs? Then why do people dye of starvation while mankind is able to produce microelectronics? Why do people have no house or are thrown in prison cause they used public transport without ticket? Why do so many people fatasize about good free markets and bad banks?

          Solution?
          Well, I dont think we can even have the same idea of what capitalism is and why it is bad in this thread. Why the US is not evil and neither banks are. In some cases they have not many options if they behave according to capitalistic roules.

          But what about trying a transparent way of crowdfunding? M tells how much money he needs from the community for not having any ads on the page - lets say for half a year - and maybe it works and can be continued. How much money can he get from 1000 Hits?

          Cheers

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          • #75
            Really? Calling this Ads?

            Personally I don't think these default tiles can be called Ads.

            Mozilla blog clearly indicates these are some pre-packaged sites on a New Tab. It's nothing like the dynamic ads you see on this website or any other places.

            It's a handful feature for fresh users, just like what they have been doing in the Search Box: there are a bunch of search engines bundled.

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            • #76
              Originally posted by Bomyne View Post
              Ads belong on websites, not in software. I will not be upgrading to a version of Firefox that has adware in it. I am currently using version 26.0 and that's likely to be the last version I use. I'll continue using this version from now until the end of time, even though using an old version of a web browser isn't safe.

              The best way for you to make money, in my opinion, is to ask for donations.
              Please spend a few minutes to re-read the article, not only the headline. Or maybe Mozilla blog which is linked.

              It's wrong to calling it Ads.

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              • #77
                Originally posted by lovenemesis View Post
                Personally I don't think these default tiles can be called Ads.

                Mozilla blog clearly indicates these are some pre-packaged sites on a New Tab. It's nothing like the dynamic ads you see on this website or any other places.

                It's a handful feature for fresh users, just like what they have been doing in the Search Box: there are a bunch of search engines bundled.
                Exactly. Its not even much different from google paying to be the default in the search box.

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                • #78
                  Originally posted by lovenemesis View Post
                  Please spend a few minutes to re-read the article, not only the headline. Or maybe Mozilla blog which is linked.

                  It's wrong to calling it Ads.
                  It is correct to call them ads.

                  Mozilla will begin pushing sponsored ads/sites into the directory tiles when entering the new tabs page where traditionally it has showed the most frequently visited sites.

                  Many are upset over the news that came out on Tuesday that Mozilla will begin showing ads within the Firefox web-browser. A Mozilla.org blog post by Darren Herman explains, "Directory Tiles will instead suggest pre-packaged content for first-time users. Some of these tile placements will be from the Mozilla ecosystem, some will be popular websites in a given geographic location, and some will be sponsored content from hand-picked partners to help support Mozilla?s pursuit of our mission. The sponsored tiles will be clearly labeled as such, while still leading to content we think users will enjoy."
                  I will not use a browser that shows any kind of sponsored content.

                  Your website is where sponsored content belongs. Your search engine is where sponsored content belongs. The software running on my system is NOT where sponsored content belongs.

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                  • #79
                    Originally posted by Bomyne View Post
                    It is correct to call them ads.



                    I will not use a browser that shows any kind of sponsored content.

                    Your website is where sponsored content belongs. Your search engine is where sponsored content belongs. The software running on my system is NOT where sponsored content belongs.
                    Sorry to burst your bubble buddy, but firefox already includes sponsored content. google search and default homepage, google pays mozilla for this.

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                    • #80
                      An ad-supported browser reminds me of Gator.

                      Originally posted by phoronix View Post
                      Phoronix: Mozilla To Begin Pushing Ads To The New Tabs Page

                      Mozilla will begin pushing sponsored ads/sites into the directory tiles when entering the new tabs page where traditionally it has showed the most frequently visited sites...

                      http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTYwMTY
                      Might be grounds to purge Firefox and install IceWeasel, I doubt Debian will tolerate sponsored anything. Sorry guys, I'll take legacy code or experimental code any time over ad-supported. If this was not a common opinion, Gator would still be selling ads on ad-supported Windows software! I've got Firefox 26 now, I will probably pin this until the cows come home or switch to Iceweasel.

                      I don't THINK this garbage would show up under an update, but it's one more thing you have to disable on a new install. I already remove the search engines, disable prefetch, keyword, social networking support and do this before a browser from a default install is permitted online. Then I install Ghostery and NoScript, removing most of NoScript's whitelists and adding code to further block social network sharing buttons. I do not like the direction Firefox is moving, if it wasn't for browser fingerprinting I would long ago have switched to Rekonq.

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