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Linus Torvalds Encourages Kernel Developers & Everyone To Get Vaccinated
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Originally posted by WeAreDoomed View PostI wonder if mRNA vaccines could be used against the common flu/cold.
Also, I think I heard that antibodies from some cold viruses are helpful against SARS-CoV-2. I guess it's not symmetrical, sine a lot of people seem to be catching colds, lately, now that more people are going maskless. Cold virus antibodies tend not to last more than a couple months.
Originally posted by WeAreDoomed View PostI also wonder if in the future the seasonal flu will integrate the COVID19 strain(s), like with the "Spanish" influenza strain after WW1.
I'm foggy on the details, but I'll post references, if I find any.
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Originally posted by lowflyer View PostI'm not saying what you imply.
I'm "just sayin" that the "RNA to DNA" process is close enough to the "mRNA to DNA" process that, over short or long, you *will* see that in action. You'll find enough examples of similar assertions in history ("that boat is un-sinkable", "that reactor vessel is safe", "the marxists will never infiltrate USA" ...)
Phoronix: Linus Torvalds Encourages Kernel Developers & Everyone To Get Vaccinated Linus Torvalds is known primarily in the past for his colorful scripture on the Linux kernel mailing list while today he does have a passionate and important read on the LKML around vaccinations for COVID-19... https://www.phoronix.com/scan.
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Originally posted by Gps4life View PostThis is almost funny, and to me mostly proofs how brainwashed you are.
Peter Borger, who is microbiologist, has explained what is wrong with the Gorman Drosten paper. (and how the pcr test is used)
The manual of the pcr test confirms his criticism. This person who you are calling a crackpot, designs pcr test, for his profession.
Originally posted by Gps4life View PostBut the mainstream media knows more about his, according to your logic, then a microbiologist.
I think it's a mistake to get enthralled by a single personality. Even if his credentials are what he claims, any large community has a fringe with some extreme views. That's why science has a long-established practice of peer-review, where other experts in the field review papers prior to their publication. Often, there's a further step where others try to repeat the experiment and see if they get the same result. Yet other researchers do meta-analysis, in an attempt to integrate multiple individual studies into a larger picture.
If this guy has real concerns, the thing he should do is gather data and publish (or convince his colleagues to do so), not get on youtube and make a bunch of videos.
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Originally posted by sdack View PostActually one can somewhat speculate about what education you have after reading your comments. I certainly have an idea.
If your goal is to change minds, you need to meet people where they're at and figure out why they believe what they do. For instance, why is blackiwid seemingly more invested in believing fringe sources than government or health data?
There's unfortunately no shortage of well-educated people who reject the scientific consensus. An Ivy League-educated member of my own family is an anti-vaxxer. So, it's not only a matter of education.
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Originally posted by piorunz View PostAnd you need to ask: is that the risk reduction of merely testing positive? Mild symptoms? Severe disease? Death? It’s not always clear.
This has relevant data, and links to a lot of the further details:
Originally posted by piorunz View PostFor most people, the ARR for Covid vaccines is extremely low, because for most people, the risk to begin with is very low.
The typical anti-vax stance is to leech off herd immunity, whenever possible (and even sometimes, when not).
Originally posted by piorunz View PostIn the UK, the probability of a child of school age dying of Covid in a 12 month period (the time vaccine antibodies might be expected to last) is about 1 in 700,000.
Originally posted by piorunz View PostAlways look past the headlines.
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Originally posted by piorunz View PostNah. I am perfectly healthy, have had hundreds of coronavirus infections throughout my life (It's called flu). Covid-19 is just another coronavirus, as name suggests.- Corona virus just refers to a structural category of viruses, not a characterization of their risk
- The original SARS virus had a fatality rate of 10%, in the 2003 outbreak.
- So far, MERS has had a fatality rate of 34%.
Don't be fooled into thinking that you can safely ignore all corona viruses, just because some aren't highly lethal.
Originally posted by piorunz View PostI will leave vaccinations to you.- Not everyone can take the vaccine, and vaccines don't work for everyone. We need herd immunity to protect these people.
- The longer we go without herd immunity, the more the virus can mutate, and that poses an increased risk even to the vaccinated.
Perhaps you will think of the vulnerable, such as transplant recipients, people with autoimmune diseases, those undergoing chemotherapy, etc. and play a part in helping us reach herd immunity.
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Originally posted by piorunz View PostYou claim that flu shots are 60% effective? Flip a coin like?
To spell it out, that means you take your baseline risk and multiply it by 0.4. So, that's indeed a substantial reduction. Definitely worthwhile, for the vulnerable and those around them.
Originally posted by piorunz View PostHow is that better from vitamin C, D and Zinc?
I don't look at them as mutually exclusive. Most likely, the combined benefit is even greater. I'd rather do both.
And this is exactly what I do:- vitamin C: 1500 to 2000+ mg/day
- vitamin D: 1000 to 2000+ IU/day
- vitamin E: 60+ IU/day (d-Alpha tocopherol) + d-Gamma tocopherol and tocotrienols.
- Zinc: 15+ mg/day
I do this year-round, in fact. Before I could get the Covid-19 vaccine, I used some other adaptogenic immune modulators, also. Not proven against Covid-19, but I figured probably worth a shot.
Originally posted by piorunz View PostAnyway, you surely have study behind this number to quote? Please do, we all want to hear the source.
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Originally posted by piorunz View PostOther vaccines may have saved millions, but in Covid-19 case, we don't know that yet, as Covid-19 vaccines have just been rolled out
Originally posted by piorunz View Postand are designed only for emergency use.
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Originally posted by piorunz View PostLast year, we also had sharp decrease in infections and deaths, throughout entire world. There was no vaccines back then. It happened because of summer.
Here's weekly data, in the US. Our case numbers are significantly lower than a year ago, even though basically all restrictions are now lifted.
Originally posted by piorunz View PostThat's how coronaviruses works. If you have any doubts, check seasonal flu death rates and charts and compare them with Covid-19 charts. Flu, and Covid-19, are both coronaviruses.
Some viruses are temperature-dependent, while SARS-CoV-2 appears not to be. The seasonality is mostly a function of people moving indoors. Indeed, the hotter climates tend to see an increase in cases, during the peak of the summer, since people are back indoors.
Originally posted by piorunz View PostAlso, infections are not deaths. We talk about deaths here. Coronavirus infections have 99.9% survival rate with or without vaccines.- To die, you have to be infected, which means you have to get it from another infected person.
- The rate of infections and deaths is higher for variants.
- The rate of long-term complications is much higher than death.
- If you get infected, you could pass it on in a chain of transmission that leads to suffering and death.
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