System76 Still Aiming To Be The Apple Of The Linux Space With Software & Hardware

[Guest]

Don't see how soldered down components and vendor lock-in relate to good design, so not responding to that part of your comment.

They are quite important if you rely on your machine, especially to do work. I wouldn't want an Apple computer, simply because it's not possible to take storage out, put it into another machine, and resume work as usual. Not to mention, the longevity of hardware is severely reduced as well.

Also, the fact that everyone wants to make thin things is simply pathetic. Laptops overheat, and can't even fully utilize their hardware, which is simply sad.

[Vistaus]

Even more so in German.

Also in Dutch if you don't pronounce the 'O' and 'S' separately (i.e. 'popos').

[M@GOid]

They are quite important if you rely on your machine, especially to do work. I wouldn't want an Apple computer, simply because it's not possible to take storage out, put it into another machine, and resume work as usual. Not to mention, the longevity of hardware is severely reduced as well.

Also, the fact that everyone wants to make thin things is simply pathetic. Laptops overheat, and can't even fully utilize their hardware, which is simply sad.

My sentiments exactly. Laptops CAN be light even if they are thicker. Too bad too many people like to treat their computer equipment as a fashion statement. Since I came in contact with enterprise hardware, I can't tolerate anymore consumer crap made to be as difficult as possible to repair.

[dega704]

Good lord I had almost forgotten how nitpicky some hardcore Linux users can be. No matter what kind of work a company does to advance desktop Linux, you'll still go through it with a fine toothed comb and look for things to whine about.

When they talk about being like Apple, they're referring to the one thing Apple does right: paying some blasted attention to user experience and making hardware and software that feels polished and functional without having to spend 5 hours googling and learning some arcane bullsh*t just to make a particular thing work correctly.

[sarmad]

When are they going to change the name? "Pop!_OS" makes it seem childish.

Exactly. Also, who names their OS after the theme it's using?

[wizard69]

In Linux space, Apple is probably the last thing they want people to associate them with.

It depends upon them focusing on what Apple does right vs what Apple does wrong. If one focuses on joy on what Apple does wrong then you end up with a very biased opinion of the company. System 76 just needs to harvest the good practices of the company.

[wizard69]

They could use common infrastructure for BIOS updates instead of their own. I can upgrade BIOS on Dell and ThinkPad laptops via fwupd.org, so it's astonishing to see that System76 does not cooperate with infrastructure that used by everybody else.

Why should System 76 be required to use any one bios update solution. That makes about as much sense as insisting that all scripting be done in BASH on Linux. Even more so it is like the idiots that insist that E-Mail must be text based. There is no need for this attitude in the Linux world.

[tildearrow]

In Linux space, Apple is probably the last thing they want people to associate them with.

You don't want to go the Apple way.

[horizonbrave]

Are they going the apple way or just going plain bananas?
I'd prefer a good 'fruit salad' for its variety.. which also makes a far better buzz word

[wizard69]

This seems like an incredibly misinformed post.

In Linux space, Apple wannabes are many, Apple-likes are none.
Apple almost controls everything in their hardware systems except for the x86 processor and discrete GPUs, and controls everything in their software system including the compilers.

First off well managed control is not a bad thing. QT is similarly controlled but is still popular in Linux land.

As for their compilers they havebeen managed as an open source project for years now. In fact LLVM/CLang is highly recommended for development on Linux. Further the projects compilers are often first with me C++ standards support. Now Apple does release their own standard for the compiler suite but honestly that is no different than a distro releasing a patched version of GCC.

Only IBM (and probably other old-fashioned UNIX vendors) had such kind of influences over the product.

Which is honestly why so many flock to MacOS. They get a well maintained product that is far more secure than the Windows offering. Yet the power user realizes that UNIX is just under the hood so to speak. Effectively you are trying to damn a product for the very reason so many buy it.

I can't see how it (becoming Apple) could turn into reality, for an institution that almost has zero control/contribution among their system components -- they are not even shipping their own distro.

Can you grasp the concept that it isn’t about becoming Apple but rather adopting practices that have made Apple a great choice for so many.

P.S. RedHat is the closest one, but it's not mainly targeting consumers.

huh? Seriously Redhat is nothing like Apple.

By the way I’ve been a Redhat/Fedora user since about Redhat 4 with a couple of Macs in the mix. This leads me to feel very qualified to say that the two have little in common.

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one other thing related to “Apples Compolers” their latest innovation in this realm is the Swift compiler. Even here the product is open and in fact runs on Linux well. Considering how massively the compiler morphed after the initial release I’d have to say the have allowed considerably community input with respect to the languages direction. So I really can’t understand yours or frankly the Linux communities resistance to Swift. A rational inspection of the language and the already massive support it sees would suggest that it is the best language for moving forward in the Linux world. All the disinformation in the world will not change that.