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  • RussianNeuroMancer
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    Originally posted by wizard69 View Post
    I hope you are not serious about that reinventing the wheel statement. Reinventing the wheel literally gave us Linux!!!! Reinventing the wheel gave us GUI interfaces. Reinventing the wheel has moved the quality of programming languages significantly forward. For programmers this should be obvious as many text editors and IDE’s are effectively reinventing the wheel.
    All examples you provided solve some issue and it's creation and existence can be justified.

    On other hand System76 firmware updater doesn't solve anything and wasn't really needed <- this is statement you need to disprove.

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  • wizard69
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    I hope you are not serious about that reinventing the wheel statement. Reinventing the wheel literally gave us Linux!!!! Reinventing the wheel gave us GUI interfaces. Reinventing the wheel has moved the quality of programming languages significantly forward. For programmers this should be obvious as many text editors and IDE’s are effectively reinventing the wheel.

    I’m not sure why this company is getting hit so hard in this thread! Yes they are doing something different but that is exactly what makes them worth a look.

    look at this way my laptop, a mainstream HP just died. It could be the battery or something else. The point I’m trying to zero in on here is that I can not recommend an HP laptop to anybody at this point. A bunch of factors add up here to being really pissed of at HP but they have proven to me that they don’t want to be taken seriously in the Linux world. Here System 76 is trying to be taken seriously in the Linux world

    Originally posted by RussianNeuroMancer View Post

    It's understandable why they go via Coreboot route and this choice is preferred by their target audience. On other hand there is no reason (besides NIH) to use own BIOS upgrade infrastructure.



    It doesn't makes sense because you are the one who said "required". The right question is: why reinvent the wheel? What problems of tested and robust fwupd (that end user need to use anyway to upgrade everything else besides own System76 firmware, for example Logitech receivers, Thunderbolt eGPU boxes, Bluetooth headsets or something else) was solved by System76 own updater? They did it... for what?

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  • Pander
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    Looking forward to their use of Coreboot. Not that happy that they have created their own operating system Pop!_OS. If their core activity is to provide hardware, it is risky to also become an OS provider. An OS that is mainly aimed at their own hardware. I would prefer that they maximize support and backporting for Debian, Ubuntu and the like.

    An endorsement such as “Pop!_OS changed my workflow entirely...” is not that compelling to me, rather it shows that that user perhaps lacks the skills to set up that particular way of working in another OS.

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  • Guest
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    Originally posted by winecooler5 View Post
    When it comes to Linux Space, Apple is the last one they wish people to connect with.
    Why would be Apple the last? And, why are you so sure, that it's a geenral opinion in Linux space?

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  • winecooler5
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    When it comes to Linux Space, Apple is the last one they wish people to connect with.

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  • uc_sam
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    I think Razer has a better chance at doing this than System76 tbh

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  • DavidKL
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    Hardcore? What do you expect? Corporations don't get so many billions by being bastions of liberty. They're not playing around and neither is the military-industrial complex, or whatever you want to call it these days. Money wants to stay where it is — with the people who already have it. That's why National Geographic can, literally, put on a program about an intelligence agent being thrown out of a tall building because of concern that he might become a whistleblower.

    You can start with FSEvents. Don't expect that to be the end, however! Notice, also, that the data palette is expanding as the operating system is "upgraded".

    On OS X, when FSEvent logs are removed from a volume, they become unallocated.
    According to Apple documentation, it is possible to disable FSEvents on a volume. The existence of a file named “no_log” in the .fseventsd folder is a tipoff that FSEvents has been disabled for a volume.

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  • cynical
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    Originally posted by DavidKL View Post
    There are a lot of things in this world that have been both bad and successful. Sometimes there is more to aspire to than selling a lot of something. Sometimes the aspiration is to improve the world rather than merely to skim a profit off of it.
    True, but let's not forget that there is nothing wrong with doing good and making a profit at the same time. In fact, there is really no sustainable way to do good except to be profitable.

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  • deusexmachina
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    Originally posted by DavidKL View Post
    Apple pays the most attention to exploiting its users' wallets. It does a lackluster job of much else, especially these days. I'm typing this from a 2013 Macbook Pro running an outdated version of OS (according to the mighty Apple) and, despite its flaws, I wouldn't trade it for a recent machine nor the latest OS. Apple loves to constantly reduce the featureset of the OS, erode the usability of the product to gain more profit (dongles, inferior power cable design vs. MagSafe, etc.), change the UI again and again, and force-feed its users cloud-based spyware. Want to create a list of every file you've downloaded, every site you've visited, and every file you've opened and send that data to both Apple and MS? Use OS X.

    It lies relentlessly about caring about user privacy, while simultaneously engaging in all sorts of dirty tricks — like putting deleted logs into unallocated space, using all sorts of unnecessary metadata that users can't readily control, placing special notices in directories if a user has the audacity to turn off some of the spyware, and on and on. Apple is no better than Microsoft when it comes to abusing its customers but it lies about it more effectively because there are a lot of lemmings out there who are convinced Apple really gives two cents about protecting individual liberty/agency rather than lubricating the acquiring of billions more dollars by doing whatever rubber-stamp secret authorities dictate.

    Windows 10 is worse. We're in a truly shabby situation. OS X, which has never been great in the UI department nor in the transparency department, continues to deteriorate. The Internet is becoming more of a script nightmare honeypot each day. Spyware is being built into CPUs and other products more and more. Even Linux has questionable qualities, like the debate over systemd and the security disaster that is Firefox.

    Apple and MS are parasites, like any truly effective corporation. That's the point of them, after all. Sell less for more. As Ambrose Bierce said... individual profit, no individual responsibility. Insiders actually said, without a hint of shame, on MSNBC, that the Justice Department has a policy of avoiding charging corporate executive criminals — instead going for the strategy of fining the companies. So, while they plunder everyone we can fixate on the latest tawdry sex scandal.
    Wow. I did not know it was at that level in OSX. Do you have any references about OSX literally hiding info in unallocated space? That's hardcore.

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  • RussianNeuroMancer
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    Originally posted by kravemir View Post
    I guess, they had reasons,.. and, maybe some requirements, which weren't fulfilled by fwupd, especially maybe some core architecture differences?
    If you didn't noticed these days updating BIOS is done by putting new version into UEFI Capsule. So I eager to know what reasons they have, what unfixable requirements were here, and what core architecture difference in putting update into UEFI Capsule there could be?

    Originally posted by kravemir View Post
    One of strengths of the Linux eco-system is promotion of diversity, and freedom of choice. Why System76 shouldn't have made their own updater?
    They are free to do what they want. I am free to ask "what the hell were they thinking?!" here. Pretty sure when we will find out why they did this, it will be something like Canonical explanation for writing Mir - misinformation with no single good reason left.
    Last edited by RussianNeuroMancer; 21 August 2019, 01:16 PM.

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