One Of LLVM's Top Contributors Quits Development Over CoC, Outreach Program

[mastermind]

In a free and advanced society, discrimination based on anything except competence is an absolute injustice. For things like code development, you shouldn't even know the gender, sexual orientation, or ethnicity of a person.

You are out of touch. Haven't you got the memo that competence too (as well as reason and logic) is about to be verbotten as it is apparently nothing more than a tool of evil patriarchal hierarchy designed to oppress women and other 69 genders?
These people are not about justice for anyone or anything, everything in their pathetic worldview is about power and they will stop at nothing to gain more power. Just read their playbook: "Rules for Radicals: A Practical Primer for Realistic Radicals" by Saul Alinsky

[AndyChow]

You are out of touch. Haven't you got the memo that competence too (as well as reason and logic) is about to be verbotten as it is apparently nothing more than a tool of evil patriarchal hierarchy designed to oppress women and other 69 genders?
These people are not about justice for anyone or anything, everything in their pathetic worldview is about power and they will stop at nothing to gain more power. Just read their playbook: "Rules for Radicals: A Practical Primer for Realistic Radicals" by Saul Alinsky

Actually, we are all out of touch. If you talk privately or anonymously to people, on a random sample, these crazies get a 5% approval rate, and 95% disapproval rate. Yet these crazies are hyper organized and loud, so they actually drive our laws and corporate policies. The silent majority very much applies. Take a television show. It might have 5 million viewers. But if 20 people write letters to the network complaining, it's considered a huge deal. Because most people have zero interest to write letters to the network about a television show.

The reality of this is obvious as so many boycotts are launched against corporations, for example for NRA rebates, and those that fold actually lose revenue, those that don't see their business increase.

But the danger is very real. Corporations keep changing policies based on 0.000001% of their customers complaints, and governments pass laws according to this distortion. It's beyond maddening and pathetic. I'm sure 95%+ of FreeBSD and LLVM contributors are against these CoC, but most comply or pretend to agree because they just don't want to invest the time and energy standing up and saying "no".

Anyway, peace and love, and good luck to us all.

[computerquip]

So he basically didn't like that they where looking for new developers amongst specific groups?

He doesn't like that they would exclude someone because they're from a specific group. It goes both ways there.

[GI_Jack]

I wonder what makes otherwise sane people (I mean Rafael sounds otherwise sane) react in this insane manner. Of course Outreacy will "openly discriminates based on sex and ancestry" since it's a project designed to create outreach in specific groups. He acts like he thinks that LLVM will only accept devs from the Outreachy program which of course is not true.

I think you have to look back decades to find a this insanity. It didn't necessarily start with Eric Raymond, but he is particularly noted in starting this mean spirited "libertarian" drift in the Free software movement.

The article answers his own question. Quitting the FSF over political direction and hating copyleft should be an indication to political lean. While I do not dislike LLVM overall, there is a section of people who are promoting LLVM for solely political reasons, and that is because they can't stand the soft SocDem do-gooderness of the GPL, and not any technical merrit of either project.

[mastermind]

While I do not dislike LLVM overall, there is a section of people who are promoting LLVM for solely political reasons, and that is because they can't stand the soft SocDem do-gooderness of the GPL, and not any technical merrit of either project.

In what way is it "soft" when it is backed by the mighty barrel of a [government's] gun?

[wagaf]

I want to have an opinion about this but really lack meaningful information.

* The CoC seems to be just fine, I mean every human group needs formal or informal rules and LLVM rules are just fine.
This issue can be people breaking the rules, or people feeling offended for nothing, however no actual example of this was provided.

* IMHO "positive" discrimination is still discrimination, however no proof is given that Outreachy discriminates against anyone.
From what I understand they just try to bring more contributors from underrepresented groups which is great.

[GI_Jack]

There is some real cognative dissodence going on here

There is a big pile of scare tactics about censorship, race baiting, gulags, freedom, etc..

Despite that, and an obvious read of LLVM's CoC, there is no mention of race, gender, class. It was merely enough to list a whole lot of unrelated incidents.

"Rules For Radicals" is named dropped, although the right uses it as much as the left.

Rafel was neither kicked out, nor asked to leave, nor even lectured. He decided to quit out of his own free will, as he joined. No one pressured him, at all.

All I see at best is what a paranoid rhetoric used to justify a pre-emptive attack

[mastermind]

Rafel was neither kicked out, nor asked to leave, nor even lectured. He decided to quit out of his own free will, as he joined. No one pressured him, at all.

"No one pressured" Soviet scientists and engineers to leave the country either, yet many of them got out first chance they got. The point is that the LLVM project lost a very capable engineer (who are rare) over their management's pandering to the fashionable totalitarian ideology of the day.

[GI_Jack]

"No one pressured" Soviet scientists and engineers to leave the country either, yet many of them got out first chance they got. The point is that the LLVM project lost a very capable engineer (who are rare) over their management's pandering to the fashionable totalitarian ideology of the day.

You are literally comparing a volunteer at a Free software project to people who performed intellectual labor at gunpoint. Rafeal was neither asked to leave, asked to resign, asked to curtail any activities, or change anything about himself or his actions.

You should take a moment to reflect that you must might be as unreasonable as the people you are mocking, and that the anti-SJW crowd is quickly becoming the new SJW crowd. Which is the reason people hate them in the first place is they take thing so far overboard that everything became "nazis". Now you've literally flipped the script and made everything "soviets".

[wagaf]

"No one pressured" Soviet scientists and engineers to leave the country either, yet many of them got out first chance they got. The point is that the LLVM project lost a very capable engineer (who are rare) over their management's pandering to the fashionable totalitarian ideology of the day.

The article nor any comment gave any example of "totalitarian ideology" being applied at LLVM.
It seems to be mostly extrapolation and speculation.

The level of polarisation of this thread is kind of frightening.