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Originally posted by pininety View Post
Not sure about the first point but the rest has nothing to do with wayland but with the compositer.
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To me it seems to be as simple as Alan Griffith is now paying for the sins of Canonical. Poor guy indeed. But he should have known better. The facts have been on the table from day one of the Mir adventure.
Originally posted by Alan GriffithBecause the work has been funded by Canonical features that were important to Ubuntu Phone and Unity8 desktop have progressed faster and are more complete than others.
Originally posted by Alan GriffithWhen Mir was started we needed a mechanism for client-server communications (and Wayland wasn’t in the state it is today). We did something that worked well enough (libmirclient) and, because it’s just a small, intentionally isolated part of the whole, we could change later. We never imagined what a “big deal” that decision would become.
I can relate to Alan's hurt feelings. But from my shoulders, he will not get more than a cold shrug: "You should have known better". That's the very essence of software development. I'd rather say: "Alan, get over it quickly - we need you for Wayland development."
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Originally posted by carewolf View Post
That doesn't make it any less not done. This seems to escape Wayland developers but ecosystem is also develpment and road leading nowhere is useless
If you are not using Weston, write a feature request for your compositor!
What you do not seem to grasp is the problems you get with third party screen recording software and why it is hard to define a standard way to do this without exposing your system to all the security problems we had with X and got right off with wayland. And at the moment, there is apparently to little interest in this area to solve this problem right now or then (or people have no clue yet how to solve it but I think it is the former).
Most of the problems you see in wayland is due to the tighter security it supplies. Doing things right takes some more time and afford then just giving all information and accesses to all clients and hope non is malicious.
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Originally posted by pininety View Post
WTF are you talking about? Wayland support is actively developed and not a road leading nowhere (in contrast to Mir). Weston has the ability to do full screen recordings out of the box, so if you need that, good for you, just press Super+R and you get a screen recording without any third party needed.
If you are not using Weston, write a feature request for your compositor!
What you do not seem to grasp is the problems you get with third party screen recording software and why it is hard to define a standard way to do this without exposing your system to all the security problems we had with X and got right off with wayland. And at the moment, there is apparently to little interest in this area to solve this problem right now or then (or people have no clue yet how to solve it but I think it is the former).
Most of the problems you see in wayland is due to the tighter security it supplies. Doing things right takes some more time and afford then just giving all information and accesses to all clients and hope non is malicious.Last edited by carewolf; 13 April 2017, 04:45 AM.
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Originally posted by lowflyer View PostTo me it seems to be as simple as Alan Griffiths is now paying for the sins of Canonical. Poor guy indeed. But he should have known better. The facts have been on the table from day one of the Mir adventure.
If Canonical would have invested that money into Wayland, these features would also have progressed faster and more complete.
I've had a good five years working with some great developers and line managers, doing some work I found rewarding. I'm cool with that.
Originally posted by lowflyer View PostAlan confirms that Mir wasn't "in the state" either. Again, Alan could have implemented that for Wayland instead, making it "into the state".
I can relate to Alan's hurt feelings. But from my shoulders, he will not get more than a cold shrug: "You should have known better". That's the very essence of software development. I'd rather say: "Alan, get over it quickly - we need you for Wayland development."
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