What It Takes To Port An X11 Application To Wayland

[Drago]

And while we're at it, let's not follow other open standards like X11, OSS, POSIX ... These standards suck so let's replace them with Linux-specific non-standard ways to do things (everyone uses Linux, right?). Complaining about proprietary ... ha!

The hypocrisy from the Linux community is astounding. Just earlier this century the Linux community was constantly whining about Microsoft not following standards. Now they have invented their own Linux-specific ways to do things. It's as if the rest of the Unix world didn't exist (and to be fair, Linux is starting to diverge from Unix-like).

Just tell me which other Unix, you have in mind? The one that is in the majority of the mobile telephones? The one that runs Facebook, Google, Amazon? The one that is in your TV? The one runs top of the Top 500 super-computers?
Guess what, "clever boy"...unix is dead! Linux just got the best of it, before it died.

[ua=42]

Ummm.... there are built in PDF readers in chrome and firefox. Let alone the myrid list of pdf viewers a user could have on their system. I'm pretty sure the percentage of people who can't view pdf is much, much, much, much, much smaller than the percentage that can't view odp.

Personally, I don't care too much either way. I prefer PDF, but having the file as odp doesn't bother me.

[yourfriendarmando]

Knowledgeable

If you're on here interested in Wayland graphics topics, having or installing LibreOffice should be trivial

Thanks, dude, I wouldn't have ever found that out myself!

Now, imagine a world where not everyone has LibreOffice on their computers. That's reality.

[litfan]

And while we're at it, let's not follow other open standards like X11, OSS, POSIX ... These standards suck so let's replace them with Linux-specific non-standard ways to do things (everyone uses Linux, right?). Complaining about proprietary ... ha!

The hypocrisy from the Linux community is astounding. Just earlier this century the Linux community was constantly whining about Microsoft not following standards. Now they have invented their own Linux-specific ways to do things. It's as if the rest of the Unix world didn't exist (and to be fair, Linux is starting to diverge from Unix-like).

You know Linux isn't UNIX right? It's never been a certified UNIX OS in it's entirely lifespan. If you're looking for a free UNIX you are looking for FreeBSD not Linux. Linux is a UNIX-like OS and has never pretended to be otherwise.

[frign]

Here's the idea

If you're on here interested in Wayland graphics topics, having or installing LibreOffice should be trivial

Sure, I could do that while asleep . But I don't want to pollute my system with the deps it pulls in.

[Serafean]

Sure, I could do that while asleep . But I don't want to pollute my system with the deps it pulls in.

KDE libs are pollution, GTK libs are pollution. Wait, you said that you're fine with Qt. Have fun

As for wayland, very cool it's getting traction...

[yourfriendarmando]

Are libreoffice's deps really that many?

Sure, I could do that while asleep . But I don't want to pollute my system with the deps it pulls in.

Out of curiosity, I decided to get a list of what libreoffice depends on, excluding internal dependencies (libreoffice-writer to libreoffice-common). Then I 1-upped the situation by seeing how many packages I have installed also share dependencies with that of libreoffice.

I imagine the packages in the teens and less are most likely only used by libreoffice-*.

I use Debian 'testing'

Packages dependent | Libreoffice-* depends on:
1529 libc6
366 libglib2.0-0
342 libstdc++6
326 libgcc1
226 zlib1g
216 libx11-6
165 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0
164 libcairo2
143 libfreetype6
123 libatk1.0-0
122 libgtk2.0-0
120 libpango-1.0-0
120 libfontconfig1
98 libxext6
98 libpangocairo-1.0-0
94 libxml2
94 libdbus-1-3
68 libpng12-0
68 libjpeg8
66 libpangoft2-1.0-0
61 libdbus-glib-1-2
53 libsm6
53 libice6
43 libssl1.0.0
38 libcups2
28 libexpat1
27 libxrender1
25 libxt6
25 libxrandr2
21 libgstreamer1.0-0
20 libxinerama1
20 libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0
19 liblcms2-2
17 libicu52
16 libldap-2.4-2
14 libcurl3-gnutls
12 ure
12 uno-libs3
10 libwpd-0.9-9
8 libxslt1.1
8 libnspr4
8 fontconfig
7 libharfbuzz0b
5 libnss3
4 libwpg-0.2-2
3 libhunspell-1.3-0
3 libharfbuzz-icu0
3 libboost-date-time1.54.0
2 libodfgen-0.0-0
2 libneon27-gnutls
2 libgraphite2-3
2 libclucene-core1
2 fonts-opensymbol
1 lp-solve
1 libwps-0.2-2
1 libvisio-0.0-0
1 librdf0
1 liborcus-0.6-0
1 libmythes-1.2-0
1 libmwaw-0.1-1
1 libmspub-0.0-0
1 liblangtag1
1 libhyphen0
1 libexttextcat-2.0-0
1 libcmis-0.3-3
1 libclucene-contribs1
1 libcdr-0.0-0
1 fonts-sil-gentium-basic

[frign]

Nice statistics

Out of curiosity, I decided to get a list of what libreoffice depends on, excluding internal dependencies (libreoffice-writer to libreoffice-common). Then I 1-upped the situation by seeing how many packages I have installed also share dependencies with that of libreoffice.

I imagine the packages in the teens and less are most likely only used by libreoffice-*.

I use Debian 'testing'

Packages dependent | Libreoffice-* depends on: [...]

Using Gentoo, Libreoffice would pull in around 500 packages for me. I am on an extremely minimal system and enjoy using abiword and gnumeric, because they are what I'd consider suckless software-titles, unlike LibreOffice, which is a beast!

Most people don't realize this nowadays, because their systems are already bloated, but I think this is a serious factor.

[nanonyme]

And who says that ODP files need an office suite to be viewed.

It's better to encourage open standards, rather than stick to a crappy, proprietary format just because it's the prevalent format.

Otherwise, we might as well all just pack our bags and start using windows...

Having it in ODP instead of PDF meant I couldn't view it while on the train but had to wait until I got home because my smart phone doesn't have LibreOffice but it does have a PDF reader.

[frign]

Good example

Having it in ODP instead of PDF meant I couldn't view it while on the train but had to wait until I got home because my smart phone doesn't have LibreOffice but it does have a PDF reader.

That's EXACTLY the point! Well put and a good example.