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Anyone has an idea if we will be able to run Gnome/Wayland with NVIDIA cards by using "software rendering" on the CPU? So that you don't have to use nouveau?Last edited by blackout23; 05 September 2013, 11:23 AM.
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Originally posted by johnc View PostI agree completely. Developers in the Linux world would be better off targeting the needs of the enthusiast users. The regular joes might come along afterwards if there's enough hype.
But targeting the regular people who just browse and do facebook is chasing after a segment that would never even use Linux, while alienating your primary users. The people in that former group buy a computer and use it as-is. They're not going to buy a system and then install a Linux distro.
Regular folks generally follow the enthusiasts, not the other way around. They're certainly not the trend-setters.
In theory, making something technically superior to Windows really shouldn't be that hard.
The original gnome design document from 2009, or so, had some ideas in it that made me really hopefull. Even now it has a great technical base. I've seen some good ideas about how to make GS more useful (which have a chance at being implemented if Fedora starts moving away from upstream Gnome). Things I haven't seen from any other DE.
The one technical change Gnome needs to make is something like windows power shell integration, or osx automator (frankly, this might be better created at the fd.o level with a new dbus interface schema for scripting/recording user actions).
If the Gnome group wasn't given so much autonomy rh ux experts could've pointed these problems out early on.
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Originally posted by kigurai View PostThe only complaints I have heard from real people switching to G3 (i.e. not random people on the Internet) is "it doesn't look like it used to". None of them have switched to something else, and everyone seems happy about it.
Originally posted by finalzone View PostHave you tried the Classic Gnome interface introduced in Gnome 3.8? For you information, gnome-tweak-tool comes by default in 3.10.
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Originally posted by finalzone View PostRegular users already use Linux through Android invalidating your point.
DEs are targeted to desktops. Almost none of the desktop/laptop computers come with Linux installed, and yet most of the ones which comes with it can be purchased with Windows, too. And again, regular users usually buy Windows computers. Linux was always for professionals and enthusiasts, along with people who wasn't able to pay a Windows copy and didn't want (or lacked the know-how) to use a pirated copy.
Having said this, there is a slight intersection between regular users (as in technical knowledge) and enthusiasts, but they usually go with vanilla Ubuntu.
Originally posted by finalzone View PostDone in practice. Problem is preinstallation and manipulation of consumer desktop market by proprietary companies like Microsoft by hook and crook.Last edited by mrugiero; 04 September 2013, 11:45 AM.
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Originally posted by Honton View PostI forgive you for the harsh ad hominem attacks. You are clearly frustrated about KDE's decline. Now excuse me, Im having alot of fun playing around with Gnome on wayland. There is some rough edges, so I can't spend more time discussing the ever advancing decay of your dying software. Have fun in your world of contributor agreements and oldfartX.
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Originally posted by Honton View PostYou are clearly frustrated about KDE's decline.Originally posted by HontonThey are just mad because KDE is dying now, and they envy Gnome.Originally posted by HontonIt is a great study on people in total denial.
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Originally posted by Honton View PostThey only fun part is guys like you. It is a great study on people in total denial. KDE is dying because the developers are moving away.
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Originally posted by finalzone View PostCould you list the reason for productivity issue?
As noted before, all notification icons for applications are hidden in a bar inside the... idk what to call it, so let's refer to it as the "Dash". So say I'm using Konversation, and I set the notification to tell me of channel activity without blowing up in my face with notifications and/or sounds, but by simply changing color. I have to press a button or move my mouse into a corner to check to see if it changed color instead of simply looking down/up/wherever. Or I could install an extension...
I also can't quickly open my favorite applications without, you guessed it, pressing the super key or moving my mouse to the corner. Unless I installed a dock or extension, but I don't like docks. I greatly enjoy the ability to put my applications directly on my main system bar. To be fair, I feel Windows 7 did this the best out of any OS/interface I've ever seen ever.
There are a few other things, but it's 4am so explaining them might get kinda hard to understand for you haha. Spelling and grammar go out the window after 10pm for me.
Originally posted by finalzone View PostHave you tried the Classic Gnome interface introduced in Gnome 3.8? For you information, gnome-tweak-tool comes by default in 3.10.
And I know GNOME-tweak-tool comes by default in 3.10 and that's awesome. There are a few settings in it that I wish would be moved to the main settings application, however.
Originally posted by finalzone View PostGnome Shell still retains the classic desktop paradigm under different appearance and removal of clutters. Notifications are stacked by applications. If you got many of them non stacked from the same applications, it is likely a bug. Note you can restore the classic notification through extensions or using the Classic Mode.
I get that GNOME 3 is very extensible, and that's awesome, but you shouldn't HAVE to use an extension to view notification icons (not notifications themselves) on the GNOME bar.
Again, most of this is just my opinion based on my personal experiences with it :/
P.S. did they ever get any use out of that single-button application menu? I know from 3.0 > 3.6 the only option it had was "quit application".
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Originally posted by Daktyl198 View PostYet, I can honestly say that in my opinion, GNOME 3 is the worst desktop environment for productivity..
Cinnamon is what I wish GNOME 3 would have been.
GNOME 3 to me seems like it's saying, "Fuck the desktop, nobody uses THAT anymore! It's all MOBILE now!! Who needs notification icons that change color instead of sending you 100 notifications per second for messages in an IRC channel. We'll just HIDE ALL NOTIFICATION ICONS like the worthless shit it is."
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Originally posted by Honton View PostAt least they are passionate about Gnome. They would rather spend their time discussing Gnome on Wayland rather than developing say KDE.
I guess that is a rational thing to do since KDE is dying and Gnome development on Wayland is faster than anything else right now. The haters will flame, but they will be trying it out on wayland anyway. Maybe in secrecy but we all know they are doing it.
I'm questioning why there has to be one or the other, and why they can't just co-exist.
Also, KDE development is happening quite fast as well, it just doesn't happen to be on Micheal's news-worthy radar full of Wayland stuff. Instead, it's on completely re-vamping their internal structure to make it not suck, which is long overdue. After that happens, THEN comes the features, including complete Wayland support.
Do remember that KDE had the beginnings of Wayland support long before GNOME, and commend them for that.
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