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  • phoronix
    started a topic Wayland'ized GNOME Shell Gets A Binary

    Wayland'ized GNOME Shell Gets A Binary

    Phoronix: Wayland'ized GNOME Shell Gets A Binary

    GNOME Shell has got another Wayland improvement ahead of the GNOME 3.10 debut next month...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTQ1MDQ

  • blackout23
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    Anyone has an idea if we will be able to run Gnome/Wayland with NVIDIA cards by using "software rendering" on the CPU? So that you don't have to use nouveau?
    Last edited by blackout23; 09-05-2013, 11:23 AM.

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  • liam
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    Originally posted by johnc View Post
    I agree completely. Developers in the Linux world would be better off targeting the needs of the enthusiast users. The regular joes might come along afterwards if there's enough hype.

    But targeting the regular people who just browse and do facebook is chasing after a segment that would never even use Linux, while alienating your primary users. The people in that former group buy a computer and use it as-is. They're not going to buy a system and then install a Linux distro.

    Regular folks generally follow the enthusiasts, not the other way around. They're certainly not the trend-setters.

    In theory, making something technically superior to Windows really shouldn't be that hard.
    I wasn't thinking about windows, more osx in particular. The reason is that osx users have been grunting their dissatisfaction about the direction the desktop's being moving. They could move to windows, but it's in worse shape (though I happen to like w8 as a convergence ui, there doesn't exist a great ui for people with dynamic workflows that I can recall).
    The original gnome design document from 2009, or so, had some ideas in it that made me really hopefull. Even now it has a great technical base. I've seen some good ideas about how to make GS more useful (which have a chance at being implemented if Fedora starts moving away from upstream Gnome). Things I haven't seen from any other DE.
    The one technical change Gnome needs to make is something like windows power shell integration, or osx automator (frankly, this might be better created at the fd.o level with a new dbus interface schema for scripting/recording user actions).
    If the Gnome group wasn't given so much autonomy rh ux experts could've pointed these problems out early on.

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  • mrugiero
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    Originally posted by kigurai View Post
    The only complaints I have heard from real people switching to G3 (i.e. not random people on the Internet) is "it doesn't look like it used to". None of them have switched to something else, and everyone seems happy about it.
    Well, my brother switched exactly because of that; he liked the old vanilla Ubuntu look. I'd switched anyway, because I like to test different DEs and while doing that I met XFCE and loved it. This doesn't mean I dislike GNOME, but XFCE fits me better.

    Originally posted by finalzone View Post
    Have you tried the Classic Gnome interface introduced in Gnome 3.8? For you information, gnome-tweak-tool comes by default in 3.10.
    I didn't know about it, thanks. I'll install it for my brother to give it a try. I saw some pics and I think he's gonna love it

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  • mrugiero
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    Originally posted by finalzone View Post
    Regular users already use Linux through Android invalidating your point.
    His point is still valid, because they use Android because it comes with the phone. Most of them don't even know they are running Linux.
    DEs are targeted to desktops. Almost none of the desktop/laptop computers come with Linux installed, and yet most of the ones which comes with it can be purchased with Windows, too. And again, regular users usually buy Windows computers. Linux was always for professionals and enthusiasts, along with people who wasn't able to pay a Windows copy and didn't want (or lacked the know-how) to use a pirated copy.
    Having said this, there is a slight intersection between regular users (as in technical knowledge) and enthusiasts, but they usually go with vanilla Ubuntu.

    Originally posted by finalzone View Post
    Done in practice. Problem is preinstallation and manipulation of consumer desktop market by proprietary companies like Microsoft by hook and crook.
    Actually, not. There are things at which Linux kicks Windows' ass, but there are still things where it's the other way around, like power management. The point about the manipulation and installing is true, though.
    Last edited by mrugiero; 09-04-2013, 11:45 AM.

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  • danielnez1
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    Originally posted by Honton View Post
    I forgive you for the harsh ad hominem attacks. You are clearly frustrated about KDE's decline. Now excuse me, Im having alot of fun playing around with Gnome on wayland. There is some rough edges, so I can't spend more time discussing the ever advancing decay of your dying software. Have fun in your world of contributor agreements and oldfartX.
    I was merely pointing out a fact, but please do continue your ranting.

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  • Teho
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    Originally posted by Honton View Post
    You are clearly frustrated about KDE's decline.
    Originally posted by Honton
    They are just mad because KDE is dying now, and they envy Gnome.
    Originally posted by Honton
    It is a great study on people in total denial.
    I love how you project your own emotions to others. Of course this is really about your own frustration about the situation with Gnome and GTK where applications and environments are moving away from it. Of course you fear that Gnome is dying while KDE is moving foward with Qt/KF5. Of course you know it even yourself that you are person in denial. I feel bad for people taking you seriously. You are a laughing-stock.

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  • danielnez1
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    Originally posted by Honton View Post
    They only fun part is guys like you. It is a great study on people in total denial. KDE is dying because the developers are moving away.
    There you go again making statements with no evidence yet again. No doubt you will be adding Psychology to your list of self-asserted "expertise" along with software licences.

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  • Daktyl198
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    Originally posted by finalzone View Post
    Could you list the reason for productivity issue?
    Several things, actually. Switching windows without using the keyboard shortcut requires either pressing the super key or moving your mouse all the way to a corner. Or installing an extension.
    As noted before, all notification icons for applications are hidden in a bar inside the... idk what to call it, so let's refer to it as the "Dash". So say I'm using Konversation, and I set the notification to tell me of channel activity without blowing up in my face with notifications and/or sounds, but by simply changing color. I have to press a button or move my mouse into a corner to check to see if it changed color instead of simply looking down/up/wherever. Or I could install an extension...
    I also can't quickly open my favorite applications without, you guessed it, pressing the super key or moving my mouse to the corner. Unless I installed a dock or extension, but I don't like docks. I greatly enjoy the ability to put my applications directly on my main system bar. To be fair, I feel Windows 7 did this the best out of any OS/interface I've ever seen ever.

    There are a few other things, but it's 4am so explaining them might get kinda hard to understand for you haha. Spelling and grammar go out the window after 10pm for me.

    Originally posted by finalzone View Post
    Have you tried the Classic Gnome interface introduced in Gnome 3.8? For you information, gnome-tweak-tool comes by default in 3.10.
    I have. It looks exactly like GNOME 2. I don't want GNOME 2 haha, I want innovation. Plus, from my experience, it's not very customizable.
    And I know GNOME-tweak-tool comes by default in 3.10 and that's awesome. There are a few settings in it that I wish would be moved to the main settings application, however.

    Originally posted by finalzone View Post
    Gnome Shell still retains the classic desktop paradigm under different appearance and removal of clutters. Notifications are stacked by applications. If you got many of them non stacked from the same applications, it is likely a bug. Note you can restore the classic notification through extensions or using the Classic Mode.
    ...huh? GNOME 3 is completely geared for mobile/touch. It retains a "few" classic desktop paradigms, but it threw most of them out the window (including a lot that were very popular and useful) in favor of a "super simple interface".
    I get that GNOME 3 is very extensible, and that's awesome, but you shouldn't HAVE to use an extension to view notification icons (not notifications themselves) on the GNOME bar.

    Again, most of this is just my opinion based on my personal experiences with it :/

    P.S. did they ever get any use out of that single-button application menu? I know from 3.0 > 3.6 the only option it had was "quit application".

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  • finalzone
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    Originally posted by Daktyl198 View Post
    Yet, I can honestly say that in my opinion, GNOME 3 is the worst desktop environment for productivity..
    Could you list the reason for productivity issue?

    Cinnamon is what I wish GNOME 3 would have been.
    Have you tried the Classic Gnome interface introduced in Gnome 3.8? For you information, gnome-tweak-tool comes by default in 3.10.

    GNOME 3 to me seems like it's saying, "Fuck the desktop, nobody uses THAT anymore! It's all MOBILE now!! Who needs notification icons that change color instead of sending you 100 notifications per second for messages in an IRC channel. We'll just HIDE ALL NOTIFICATION ICONS like the worthless shit it is."
    Gnome Shell still retains the classic desktop paradigm under different appearance and removal of clutters. Notifications are stacked by applications. If you got many of them non stacked from the same applications, it is likely a bug. Note you can restore the classic notification through extensions or using the Classic Mode.

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