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The Performance Penalty Of Xfce/Xubuntu On XMir
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Last I knew, xmir didn't have composition bypass working yet, so worse performance in games would be totally expected. Once xmir is "finished" performance should be nearly identical (here is a link from a mir/xmir dev explaining why performance is currently worse, and the work that is being done to fix it: http://blog.cooperteam.net/2013/07/x...rformance.html).
And to those saying running a DE on xmir has zero advantages, that is just FUD. In the case of XFCE, it addresses the video tearing issue, since unity-system-compositor is handling page-flipping (XFWM has no opengl compositing so running on just X it tears like crazy). I would agree that running a desktop that has a window manager that supports opengl compositing on top of xmir doesn't have much (if any) advantage though, so it makes sense that kubuntu isn't considering it. But since there *are* some advantages for xubuntu it is a good thing that they are evaluating it. It should also be noted that they are just testing/evaluating it, to see if it will work well for them or not, they may not even end up using Xmir. They are taking a pragmatic approach and should not be criticized for that.
There are way too many trolls and fanboys on phoronix, on both the mir and wayland sides making ridiculously stupid comments. I like some of the news this site has, but man the comments here are always so stupid and immature.Last edited by bwat47; 06 August 2013, 07:12 PM.
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Originally posted by dee. View PostNo, not exactly. Wayland is a protocol, with a library (libwayland) that contains all the interfaces which define the protocol. Wayland does have an API, in libwayland. This library allows developers to write Wayland clients and Wayland compositors, so that they all use the libwayland library in order to implement the Wayland protocol. The Wayland protocol has a stable API with guaranteed backwards compatibility, this means if you write any wayland program (client or compositor) that uses the Wayland protocol as it is now, it will work with all future versions of Wayland.
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Originally posted by jayrulez View PostI read yesterday on Wayland's IRC channel, krh saying that they are making breaking changes in Wayland (libwayland-server.so specifically) that will break current compsitors. So no, the API is not stable as it is now.
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Originally posted by jayrulez View PostI read yesterday on Wayland's IRC channel, krh saying that they are making breaking changes in Wayland (libwayland-server.so specifically) that will break current compsitors. So no, the API is not stable as it is now.
note im not sure what is this server API used for exactly since you can do all normal desktop with the other 2 API, so i guess is for server side control or to standarize servers side allocation IPC?? is not clear to me yet
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Originally posted by MrTheSoulz View Post"AFAIK, Wayland is a finished product (as finished as software can be), just there are mesa and kernel changes not already there, and some things to polish on compositors. But Wayland itself is already complete, AFAIK."
in the comsumer eyes its not finished untill its running some kind of DE (my opinion).
the kind of benchmark i would want to see is weston running a full DE vs xmir.
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Originally posted by Andrecorreia View Postthis is in dev yet lol ofc the perfomance is not good as normal X. do the same with wayland, ups wayland not works i forgett
Originally posted by schmidtbag View Postand while mir is younger and less supported by the community, it's catching up really fast.
Originally posted by MrTheSoulz View Postthis is not true, theres a good reason to run the DE on mir (for what i understand), drivers! the software layer will be X.org and drivers will be mir (X+Mir=xmir) wich means x.org no longer manages the drivers mir does.
Originally posted by MrTheSoulz View Postintel, ati and nvidia work with the opensource drivers.
canonical claims they should have the closed source ones before 14.04
Originally posted by MrTheSoulz View Postmy only question remaning is if we can use a mir windows on top of xmir + mir, like... ubuntu 13.10 will be runing the DE on xmir can we open a mir window inside the DE runing xmir? wouldnt that put the mir window hiding behing the DE since the DE is runing like a window in full screen?
Originally posted by Andrecorreia View Posti see ppl talking about wayland, mir its not needed because wayland... well where is wayland? where is working wayland?
i thing the real probleam for the people who don t wants mir is their on "asses". stop with destructive criticism and wait to see what will come out of there.
Originally posted by MrTheSoulz View Postmaking a DE that only runs with EGL (wayland/mir) is forcing them, what canonical is doing is better, they offer both so they can ease into it (not forcing) wich means wayland is the one forcing it :P
testing the drivers is the moust importante thing i belive, if the drivers are ready they can then easly make it run with unity 8 without messing with the drivers at all.
Originally posted by bwat47 View PostAnd to those saying running a DE on xmir has zero advantages, that is just FUD. In the case of XFCE, it addresses the video tearing issue, since unity-system-compositor is handling page-flipping (XFWM has no opengl compositing so running on just X it tears like crazy). I would agree that running a desktop that has a window manager that supports opengl compositing on top of xmir doesn't have much (if any) advantage though, so it makes sense that kubuntu isn't considering it. But since there *are* some advantages for xubuntu it is a good thing that they are evaluating it. It should also be noted that they are just testing/evaluating it, to see if it will work well for them or not, they may not even end up using Xmir. They are taking a pragmatic approach and should not be criticized for that.
Originally posted by jayrulez View PostI read yesterday on Wayland's IRC channel, krh saying that they are making breaking changes in Wayland (libwayland-server.so specifically) that will break current compsitors. So no, the API is not stable as it is now.Last edited by V10lator; 06 August 2013, 07:55 PM.
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Capital Profit Rules! Sadly...
Canonical should be thrown away of FOSS community and not allowed to use the Linux Kernel for their products, cause it behaves as a multinational company who wants to grow and eat everything else!!
Well I can remember a similar situation... How did they call it back then...
Oh I 've remembered! Microsoft!! Yes!
Oh and another one... Pear? No.. Apple!! Yes! BSD licence rocks for sharks!
Now seriously NOONE has the right to steal community work and develop products for own profit let alone bring flame wars to the whole community, create fanboys and as a result also great haters!
If they like to steal and ''develop'' their ''own'' software under their own licence just for them they should just make their completely in house kernel as well as their own drivers etc...
Linus said the F word for nVidia, I would say it for Canonical too! I believe they have won the trophy fairly!
The irony is that they called it Mir=Peace in Russian! I think Πόλεμος=Polemos=War in Greek would be a better name fit for it!
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Originally posted by djdoo View PostCanonical should be thrown away of FOSS community and not allowed to use the Linux Kernel for their products, cause it behaves as a multinational company who wants to grow and eat everything else!!
Well I can remember a similar situation... How did they call it back then...
Oh I 've remembered! Microsoft!! Yes!
Oh and another one... Pear? No.. Apple!! Yes! BSD licence rocks for sharks!
Now seriously NOONE has the right to steal community work and develop products for own profit let alone bring flame wars to the whole community, create fanboys and as a result also great haters!
If they like to steal and ''develop'' their ''own'' software under their own licence just for them they should just make their completely in house kernel as well as their own drivers etc...
Linus said the F word for nVidia, I would say it for Canonical too! I believe they have won the trophy fairly!
The irony is that they called it Mir=Peace in Russian! I think Πόλεμος=Polemos=War in Greek would be a better name fit for it!
When are we going to start seeing the vociferous condemnations of ChromeOS and Android here like we do of Ubuntu?
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