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What are you giving up?
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Originally posted by Barnacle View PostThe problems are the the design of Wayland making uptake nearly impossible. If they could have kept it somewhat inline with the way existing display servers work, maybe it wouldn't take decades of work for the downstream developers to implement. It's not as if there is any real advantage to using Wayland to justify everything you are giving up to use Wayland.
xace prevents applications from screen capture and global input and so on. Just watch 90% of X11 applications short cut keys fail because how they implemented short cut keys just because you enable xace.
Wayland protocol is inline with existing display server behavior just not how your are use to it configured. Just happens to be X.org X11 server with xace.
Cover the worst behaviors of X.org X11 server with xace. Xace integrates with selinux this is mandatory access control another mean of this you spend like half a day doing something in a program and you do one operation that it was not approved todo and the program gets instantly terminated and purged from memory so all data is absolutely lost. It can get even worse than that rolling back all file system writes because the application had to have been compromised for it to do something that was not in the selinux approved profile.
Compared x.org X11 with xace enabled to this wayland solutions are angels where you simply cannot do a list of things.
https://www.phoronix.com/news/KDE-XWaylandVideoBridge dbus solutions to access stuff also mostly avoids this instant termination problem.
Of course most people compare Wayland protocol to X11 protocol without xace enabled because that is what they are use to. Do note that KDE Xwayland VideoBridge is in alignment with xace concepts that come from government requested security features that applications should not be able to see other applications unless approved to-do so.
Getting xace level security without being absolutely evil to end users is not simple.
Yes some of the missing features from XWayland and Wayland do line up to the government requirements where those operations should require authentication before application can do them for the highest level of security rating.Last edited by oiaohm; 05 April 2023, 07:15 AM.
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The new scaling per surface could be useful. Since X11 apps scale unevenly under the same fractional scaling of Wayland. For example, I only want to scale Steam but leave GIMP do its own scaling. Looking forward to have all apps dropped X11, everything working only in Wayland.
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