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Originally posted by Veto View PostNvidia users have their binary - as Nvidia has decided for them.
Red Hat stepped in being a larger FOSS company to support workstation that runs on Nvidia hardware. As usual, their work will benefit all FOSS ecosystem.
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Originally posted by lejeczek View Postwhich is weird, but expected from RedHat. Nvidia could easily do that themselves, instead they are pissing at Open Source, Intel do it quite well and AMD respect OpenSource community but we know AMD could use some help. Must be some dirty-broken politics at RedHat.
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This must be regular Linux forum, jeez. Nvidia is most popular graphics vendor for PC, like it or not. So having open source Nvidia drivers is just not cool, it is a must have. Binary drivers most likely will always provide max performance boost, but having usable out of box drivers is huge benefit for Linux desktop. Yes, I would like to see more people involved in RadeonSI too, but I suspect RedHat already have people working on it.
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I read that some fainbois and other kids have actually quite a problem with grasping that bigger picture (not just here phoronix but worldwide). This why - in my opinion RHEL's politics is dirty-broken: it must not be about the average, Linux + OpenSource are great, the greatest thing today's technological civilization could have received - so you, me, we don't need average drivers and averageness they render. I am not looking to buy a product only so it works (but is fancy) out of box, but I'll (always) buy a product that is great "out of box", while (always) KEEPING in mind "openness of the source". What I'm saying is RedHat to focus on one thing and make it great (together with those who also! want the same (naturally not Nvidia) - don't waste your time on average (particularly when culprits themselves don't give a toss).
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Originally posted by lejeczek View PostI read that some fainbois and other kids have actually quite a problem with grasping that bigger picture (not just here Guest but worldwide). This why - in my opinion RHEL's politics is dirty-broken: it must not be about the average, Linux + OpenSource are great, the greatest thing today's technological civilization could have received - so you, me, we don't need average drivers and averageness they render. I am not looking to buy a product only so it works (but is fancy) out of box, but I'll (always) buy a product that is great "out of box", while (always) KEEPING in mind "openness of the source". What I'm saying is RedHat to focus on one thing and make it great (together with those who also! want the same (naturally not Nvidia) - don't waste your time on average (particularly when culprits themselves don't give a toss).
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Originally posted by imirkin View Post
While Hans's addition is very welcome and equally appreciated (thanks RH!), it's a drop in the ocean compared to what's needed to make a reliable driver that seriously competes with nvidia on any level. They have a team of hundreds of developers working with full documentation and errata, with a multi-year head start compared to nouveau.
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I am not to happy with that move, but I understand why they doing this. They want to have nouvou at least so good that its kind of usable with wayland, so Nvidia is forced to support it, else every non-gamer machine will switch away from the nvidia-crap/spyware driver. It would be good to just put Nvidia in a bad position with no GNU/Linux support lets keep them doing their own os NVIDIA and a bit Linux... and let roll the pain to them. Every 1% the amd free driver gets better they pain goes up 1% for them, because they cant run away they are more or less on hardware limit (except the older gpus the put a brake on) so over time the free speed difference between the amd free driver and the nvidia blob will decrease and decrease, but the big advantages of the free driver stays. So a non existence good free driver will hurt their business more and more. So it would be nice to not help them to not get that much hurt. But Redhat will not hurt themselv to hurt nvidia, sadly, but I guess nvidia it self makes shure that the nouvou driver will never get that good with encrypted stuff in the gpu... so I guess this developen cant hurt us to much.
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Originally posted by blackiwid View PostI am not to happy with that move, but I understand why they doing this. They want to have nouvou at least so good that its kind of usable with wayland, so Nvidia is forced to support it, else every non-gamer machine will switch away from the nvidia-crap/spyware driver. It would be good to just put Nvidia in a bad position with no GNU/Linux support lets keep them doing their own os NVIDIA and a bit Linux... and let roll the pain to them. Every 1% the amd free driver gets better they pain goes up 1% for them, because they cant run away they are more or less on hardware limit (except the older gpus the put a brake on) so over time the free speed difference between the amd free driver and the nvidia blob will decrease and decrease, but the big advantages of the free driver stays. So a non existence good free driver will hurt their business more and more. So it would be nice to not help them to not get that much hurt. But Redhat will not hurt themselv to hurt nvidia, sadly, but I guess nvidia it self makes shure that the nouvou driver will never get that good with encrypted stuff in the gpu... so I guess this developen cant hurt us to much.
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