Hey guys. Nvidia is not losing that much by being unable to use DMA_BUF. The users that will at best have the choice of either decent power management or decent performance may be losing a bit .. Just saying ..! Don't eat me. D:
Personally I love the opensource movement, and use Linux as my main OS some time now. In an ideal world everything would be open and we would't to compromise anything to have choice .. BUT we're not in that ideal world.
And I dare say that the model "open everything, then get good support and get everything to work" doesn't seem to work till now .. not so well .. for many years now .. xP
And where it does it's an exception.
Instead MAYBE just MAYBE we could settle for good support first, open everything later? Demanding everything to be open is cool and all, but will it work? Or work as well? Don't be narrow minded and think both long and short term.
And obviously 30-60 fps in a high end card is playable! But crap .. You don't buy a high end card to play at those numbers, you want everything on high levels, cause it will probably not be so well on high settings. And what about not so awesome high end cards?
And Intel GPUs(at least the ones made till now), which have good support(no personal experience from me though, so take it with a grain of salt), weren't meant for gaming .. Not due to developers or drivers or anything, but from intel and hardware design, they are low end. I'm certain Cryisis plays awesomely on your Intel ..!
They might have lower performance than windows, but games tend to be unplayable either at 8 or 5 fps, so doesn't even matter much here though.. xD
So if you want to play games(that many people do), and specifically high end games(which again many people do), not very high end necessarily, you'll need the binary blobs. End of story. That's how it is, and it won't change very soon ..
If you want to support open drivers ranting and whining and hating on Nvidia .. I doubt they'll help much .. There's many other ways though.
And yes, nouveau and radeon work. So does an OS I copied pasted from a youtube video and is a few lines of asm. It can boot!! Would you use it? I doubt ...
I'd probably use radeon instead of catalyst on my current laptop, but power-management is a show stopper .. I know it's AMD not letting code that was written already be published, but I won't fry my laptop still. Or buy a new one now. Let's be a bit realistic in the end.
Of course there are cards were the open drivers perform very good, comparable to closed ones(a bit worse or even better in certain cases!), but those are not really up to scratch with the latest games.
If the people who took their time write 20+ pages here wrote some code instead of hate comments for NVIDIA or used this time/typing for something more constructive(don't know what, even click ads on sites to get money to fund the open source development?), we'd live in a somewhat better place .. With better(and open?) drivers ..!!!
In the end NVIDIA offers decent support. My experience has been much better than AMD .. When radeon gets power management working fine(if not perfect) I'd very likely switch to it. Desktop performance seemed much better than Catalyst last time and I don't care that much for games(which sometimes perform better on radeon than Catalyst under Wine 0_0 ), not to mention Wayland ...!! Until then, it's kind of a no go for me .. :/
Personally I love the opensource movement, and use Linux as my main OS some time now. In an ideal world everything would be open and we would't to compromise anything to have choice .. BUT we're not in that ideal world.
And I dare say that the model "open everything, then get good support and get everything to work" doesn't seem to work till now .. not so well .. for many years now .. xP
And where it does it's an exception.
Instead MAYBE just MAYBE we could settle for good support first, open everything later? Demanding everything to be open is cool and all, but will it work? Or work as well? Don't be narrow minded and think both long and short term.
And obviously 30-60 fps in a high end card is playable! But crap .. You don't buy a high end card to play at those numbers, you want everything on high levels, cause it will probably not be so well on high settings. And what about not so awesome high end cards?
And Intel GPUs(at least the ones made till now), which have good support(no personal experience from me though, so take it with a grain of salt), weren't meant for gaming .. Not due to developers or drivers or anything, but from intel and hardware design, they are low end. I'm certain Cryisis plays awesomely on your Intel ..!
They might have lower performance than windows, but games tend to be unplayable either at 8 or 5 fps, so doesn't even matter much here though.. xD
So if you want to play games(that many people do), and specifically high end games(which again many people do), not very high end necessarily, you'll need the binary blobs. End of story. That's how it is, and it won't change very soon ..
If you want to support open drivers ranting and whining and hating on Nvidia .. I doubt they'll help much .. There's many other ways though.
And yes, nouveau and radeon work. So does an OS I copied pasted from a youtube video and is a few lines of asm. It can boot!! Would you use it? I doubt ...
I'd probably use radeon instead of catalyst on my current laptop, but power-management is a show stopper .. I know it's AMD not letting code that was written already be published, but I won't fry my laptop still. Or buy a new one now. Let's be a bit realistic in the end.
Of course there are cards were the open drivers perform very good, comparable to closed ones(a bit worse or even better in certain cases!), but those are not really up to scratch with the latest games.
If the people who took their time write 20+ pages here wrote some code instead of hate comments for NVIDIA or used this time/typing for something more constructive(don't know what, even click ads on sites to get money to fund the open source development?), we'd live in a somewhat better place .. With better(and open?) drivers ..!!!
In the end NVIDIA offers decent support. My experience has been much better than AMD .. When radeon gets power management working fine(if not perfect) I'd very likely switch to it. Desktop performance seemed much better than Catalyst last time and I don't care that much for games(which sometimes perform better on radeon than Catalyst under Wine 0_0 ), not to mention Wayland ...!! Until then, it's kind of a no go for me .. :/
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