Does anyone have a real values for cpu?s/apu?s/gpu?s sold via retail channels versus sold via oem channels.
I?m surprised anyone buys prebuild pc?s these days. 500,000? Cmmon!?
No one purchases smartphones parts and assembles it at home - this is true. But prebuilt PC?!
We need real stats to decide and not carry wild guesses.
I always thought companies just provide parts, with discounts at higher rate, but never ever touch what OS is installed on their components. Especially for CPU. If you use windows, freedos or hackintosh - it still works with MB and CPU.
With 3d graphics hardware being only exception - the only factor on its sales being speed@techology level on specific platform.
Here, amount of software developed plays major factor, as for that software consumer would need hardware with corresponding driver support.
More software sales - more hardware sales.
Mr. Bridgeman, you always reside to chicken-egg problem. But I do think you have used Gentoo and know of circular dependencies problem. Then you must know to to solve it - install one of the circular dependent components, with minimal features. Like pushing opensource driver together with some titles over at desura/unigine/humble indie bundle. Get some statistics - no one ever does business without some statistics. And you have it ressolved. Or again something is wrong?
Again: OS does not play ANY role in this game-hardware bundle, unless ... software uses technology that is strictly bound to one OS, then it will mean for every sold software copy would need one OS copy.
Like directx. This is why microsoft destroyed opengl.
Because for each opengl game - user can buy mac, linux or even bsd instead - ANY os that has DRIVER with OPENGL.
For every directx game - user MUST buy windows.
And each time hardware manufacturer values DirectX over OpenGL for drivers, he (manufacturer) is supporting this lock-in. He is well aware of this.
Whats the catch here for manufacturer? No catch. Except - bribe.
This is how microsoft ever existed since its appearance. They don?t need to innovate - they need to make you dependant.
Any crossplatform or open standard, especially if it is free libre, imposes danger on microsoft sales. They are USELESS DRUG LORDS.
But we don?t necessary resist drugs.. unless we are FORCED to comply, because we have no choice.. we loose freedom! Im not talking about Richard Stallman, Im talking about real basic freedom.
We are talking about operating system - the base for all things.
Right now Bill Gates is lobbying genetically modified corn for Africa, that cannot reproduce on its own. Sounds familiar? How valuable in your life is food? Compare it to how valuable underlying OS for application is.
But the key here is hardware+driver. Without hardware - no software development is possible. Not vice versa.
For example, ID wants to develop next title for PCI-E accelerated ARM architecture. There is none. They cannot develop.
Now google and apple created hardware platforms - with no software, and software started flowing in. Hardware is the key.
But, when Intel decided to push IA64, the hardware was ready. But no one adopted it. Why? What is difference here between Intel and Google/Apple?
Easy - Google has build upon open platform. Apple has started build from open platform too, but converted it into own type.
They were in control of OS. Intel was not. Microsoft decided to say no, and Intel can kiss dirt.
With each decision to support microsoft-only technology, AMD hammers another nail into their own slavery.
Can AMD actually start to carry own decisions? To create market on their own? To take control on own destiny? That is what I highly doubt will happen.
Cyrix had the balls to position themself apart and carry own decisions, but AMD has been purchasing licenses and accepting compromises since its existence. Wikipedia knows that.
Unlike Nvidia. Nvidia easily experiments with new technology. They have best OpenGL implementation and have balls to carry it further. But they keep it all private, too private. So private - one does not know what is worse: dependence via directx over microsoft; or dependence via opengl over nvidia state-of-art implementation.
AMD? Sleeping under microsoft. And then comes surprise with AMD opensource policy - it is like unwanted child, sleeping homeless, eating pieces off the table. Does AMD have actually ever ANY plan?
Or we are supposed to buy them production factories, gather votes and send flowers, until they decide to *try*. Of course, if uncle ?Softie allows them to go play out. This all sounds a bit girlish.
Common - I will buy your card, will go to your site - literally exploding from microsoft / directx content(I have already explained why), I will find the heavily hidden survey, I will read my card OEM SN and mark my card as "purchased for linux opensource driver". No, this is TOO HARD TO IMPLEMENT! The unwanted child *should not* get presents, even from the street! His mother must collect it all and give it to uncle! As before agreed.
Why Im saying this?.. I?ve been proud to purchase R100, the Radeon when they (ATI) were the FIRST company with enough DETERMINATION to step against Nvidia?s Geforce!
When AMD had enough DETERMINATION to push own SLOT A ATHLON with 1:1 cache clock! They BOTH survived only because they have done it.
But right now they are in relation, times have changed, nvidia and intel are only ones who still carry own bold independant decisions - they always were.
Intel, in the case this ends up hopeless, can you please create multicore GPU hardware? Unlike Nvidia you guys seem not to dump opensource; would you please explore the possiblities to strengthen the hardware part?
/ signed, paying linux consumer
I?m surprised anyone buys prebuild pc?s these days. 500,000? Cmmon!?
No one purchases smartphones parts and assembles it at home - this is true. But prebuilt PC?!
We need real stats to decide and not carry wild guesses.
I always thought companies just provide parts, with discounts at higher rate, but never ever touch what OS is installed on their components. Especially for CPU. If you use windows, freedos or hackintosh - it still works with MB and CPU.
With 3d graphics hardware being only exception - the only factor on its sales being speed@techology level on specific platform.
Here, amount of software developed plays major factor, as for that software consumer would need hardware with corresponding driver support.
More software sales - more hardware sales.
Mr. Bridgeman, you always reside to chicken-egg problem. But I do think you have used Gentoo and know of circular dependencies problem. Then you must know to to solve it - install one of the circular dependent components, with minimal features. Like pushing opensource driver together with some titles over at desura/unigine/humble indie bundle. Get some statistics - no one ever does business without some statistics. And you have it ressolved. Or again something is wrong?
Again: OS does not play ANY role in this game-hardware bundle, unless ... software uses technology that is strictly bound to one OS, then it will mean for every sold software copy would need one OS copy.
Like directx. This is why microsoft destroyed opengl.
Because for each opengl game - user can buy mac, linux or even bsd instead - ANY os that has DRIVER with OPENGL.
For every directx game - user MUST buy windows.
And each time hardware manufacturer values DirectX over OpenGL for drivers, he (manufacturer) is supporting this lock-in. He is well aware of this.
Whats the catch here for manufacturer? No catch. Except - bribe.
This is how microsoft ever existed since its appearance. They don?t need to innovate - they need to make you dependant.
Any crossplatform or open standard, especially if it is free libre, imposes danger on microsoft sales. They are USELESS DRUG LORDS.
But we don?t necessary resist drugs.. unless we are FORCED to comply, because we have no choice.. we loose freedom! Im not talking about Richard Stallman, Im talking about real basic freedom.
We are talking about operating system - the base for all things.
Right now Bill Gates is lobbying genetically modified corn for Africa, that cannot reproduce on its own. Sounds familiar? How valuable in your life is food? Compare it to how valuable underlying OS for application is.
But the key here is hardware+driver. Without hardware - no software development is possible. Not vice versa.
For example, ID wants to develop next title for PCI-E accelerated ARM architecture. There is none. They cannot develop.
Now google and apple created hardware platforms - with no software, and software started flowing in. Hardware is the key.
But, when Intel decided to push IA64, the hardware was ready. But no one adopted it. Why? What is difference here between Intel and Google/Apple?
Easy - Google has build upon open platform. Apple has started build from open platform too, but converted it into own type.
They were in control of OS. Intel was not. Microsoft decided to say no, and Intel can kiss dirt.
With each decision to support microsoft-only technology, AMD hammers another nail into their own slavery.
Can AMD actually start to carry own decisions? To create market on their own? To take control on own destiny? That is what I highly doubt will happen.
Cyrix had the balls to position themself apart and carry own decisions, but AMD has been purchasing licenses and accepting compromises since its existence. Wikipedia knows that.
Unlike Nvidia. Nvidia easily experiments with new technology. They have best OpenGL implementation and have balls to carry it further. But they keep it all private, too private. So private - one does not know what is worse: dependence via directx over microsoft; or dependence via opengl over nvidia state-of-art implementation.
AMD? Sleeping under microsoft. And then comes surprise with AMD opensource policy - it is like unwanted child, sleeping homeless, eating pieces off the table. Does AMD have actually ever ANY plan?
Or we are supposed to buy them production factories, gather votes and send flowers, until they decide to *try*. Of course, if uncle ?Softie allows them to go play out. This all sounds a bit girlish.
Common - I will buy your card, will go to your site - literally exploding from microsoft / directx content(I have already explained why), I will find the heavily hidden survey, I will read my card OEM SN and mark my card as "purchased for linux opensource driver". No, this is TOO HARD TO IMPLEMENT! The unwanted child *should not* get presents, even from the street! His mother must collect it all and give it to uncle! As before agreed.
Why Im saying this?.. I?ve been proud to purchase R100, the Radeon when they (ATI) were the FIRST company with enough DETERMINATION to step against Nvidia?s Geforce!
When AMD had enough DETERMINATION to push own SLOT A ATHLON with 1:1 cache clock! They BOTH survived only because they have done it.
But right now they are in relation, times have changed, nvidia and intel are only ones who still carry own bold independant decisions - they always were.
Intel, in the case this ends up hopeless, can you please create multicore GPU hardware? Unlike Nvidia you guys seem not to dump opensource; would you please explore the possiblities to strengthen the hardware part?
/ signed, paying linux consumer
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