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Two part answer...
One part is that different HW vendors don't make big architectural changes at the same time. A better comparison might be Trinity vs Ivy Bridge, both of which had support before launch, although as I understand it the Ivy Bridge changes were probably somewhere between Trinity and SI in complexity.
Second part is that we've been catching up over the last 5 years (as a bunch of people have already mentioned) and are almost-but-not-quite caught up. SI was the first new GPU generation where we were able to get substantial work done before launch, but that still meant we were working almost a year behind Catalyst. The next generation will be the first where open source graphics driver development is able to run more or less in parallel with Catalyst development work -- agd5f already has initial kernel driver support written.Test signature
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Originally posted by uid313 View PostWhy is it that with Intel there is support for the latest generation graphics even before its been sent to manufacturing?
While with AMD, there is still no support even 6 months after its hit the shelves?
With AMD, the latter two are improving, but more manpower would help. It's hard to find good programmers who would make an immediate difference, though.
I was hoping that there would be at least basic GL 2.1 + EXA support for SI by now. I wanted to buy a new card already in March, but I won't do it until the card works for everyday stuff (including basic GL and accelerated 2d).
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You mean next-next, right ? Current gen is 7000, presumably next gen is 8000 and the one after that is 9000 ?
Once we get past next-gen we'll be working in parallel with the Catalyst and diags teams. Starting earlier than them isn't really practical.
Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostI was hoping that there would be at least basic GL 2.1 + EXA support for SI by now. I wanted to buy a new card already in March, but I won't do it until the card works for everyday stuff (including basic GL and accelerated 2d).Last edited by bridgman; 24 July 2012, 01:06 PM.Test signature
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Originally posted by bridgman View PostYou mean next-next, right ? Current gen is 7000, presumably next gen is 8000 and the one after that is 9000 ?
Once we get past next-gen we'll be working in parallel with the Catalyst and diags teams. Starting earlier than them isn't really practical.
Yep, that's what we were hoping for as well. The code has been written and published for a while, but it's hard to predict how long it will take for the last few "in theory we're programming it right but in practice something is obviously wrong" gotchas, although the range of variation goes down significantly if you are debugging the code early enough to lean on emulators and HW debug teams a bit.
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Originally posted by bridgman View PostOnce we get past next-gen we'll be working in parallel with the Catalyst and diags teams. Starting earlier than them isn't really practical.
Start earlier than Catalyst -> Cat people will look in the open code -> open code likely taints Cat -> Cat must be open-sourced.
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Originally posted by curaga View PostNow if only the graphics drivers were GPL and not MIT
Start earlier than Catalyst -> Cat people will look in the open code -> open code likely taints Cat -> Cat must be open-sourced.
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Originally posted by Figueiredo View PostSo we can expect out of the box support for "9000" series in 2014-ish? Seems like even catalyst team is behind lately, has VCE been enabled in windows?
While a number of us complain that OSS isn't delivered as fast as FGLRX, what we're really trying to say is that we want an acceptable driver in a reasonable amount of time. The fact that FGLRX exists annoys us, because it reminds us constantly of what-could-have-been had AMD shared our utopian software development philosophy. Really, you just want your purchased product to work, and work now, and align with your philosophy.
I'll be looking forward to AMD's 9000 offering. I hope that they can deliver a working OSS driver in an acceptable timeframe.
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