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Originally posted by crazycheese View PostYeah, Drago, I bare in mind I had to purchase outdated card to get opensource drivers working.
Close your eyes and imagine following: Windows cease to exist. AMD releases new hardware. Bingo - they cannot sell it! At least whole next year! And even if someone buys it - it won't change the situation even a bit!
- there is already reference drivers (r300g,r600g)
- the FOSS devs get familiar with Gallium3D
- Gallium3D gets polished
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Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostThis is indeed possible, and would suck for AMD.
Now think of the following scenario: Nvidia stops supporting Linux, like they did with some of their chips recently (Optimus). Nvidia doesn't care, all Linux users with nvidia hardware are screwed.
Which scenario is more likely?
Windows cease to exist - AMD looses all customers in windows and all customers in linux.
Windows cease to exist - Nvidia looses all customers in windows, but barely anyone in linux. Because their blob is way more advanced than AMD and in opensource area AMD does not seek in any possiblity to help normal people(non-coders) develop its drivers by voting with money(what market by definition is).
Remember we are focusing on desktop area here.
Seriously, you have 500$ budget on gfx card that you want to use in linux (not windows) for gaming, htpc, work - which chip brand would you prefer? AMD and waiting half year for support with bugs and reduction of features and selling card in next 5 years? Or you mean opensource driver that starts to work in 5 years yet again having reduction in features? How about nvidia and 10 years of card working?
And then, where will your 500$ go? Opensource amd - no. Catalyst on linux - no. Windows only driver - yes. Nice big cup of wtf.
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Originally posted by crazycheese View PostClose your eyes and imagine following: Windows cease to exist. AMD releases new hardware. Bingo - they cannot sell it! At least whole next year! And even if someone buys it - it won't change the situation even a bit!
Now think of the following scenario: Nvidia stops supporting Linux, like they did with some of their chips recently (Optimus). Nvidia doesn't care, all Linux users with nvidia hardware are screwed.
Which scenario is more likely?
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Originally posted by Drago View PostI am waiting, and I am going to buy Llano, exactly because AMD openness. Otherwise I would have gone nv. Crazycheese, bare in mind that previous christmass we celebrated gears on r600c. The last year was a fantastic progress.
Close your eyes and imagine following: Windows cease to exist. AMD releases new hardware. Bingo - they cannot sell it! At least whole next year! And even if someone buys it - it won't change the situation even a bit!
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Originally posted by bridgman View PostOK, you lost me there. How did this go from "IBM/Oracle/Novell/RedHat" to being about me ?
Is your question to me rhetorical or of real interest? My answer is that I fail to see AMD/ATi interest in Unices on desktop other than "just for fun" or "hobby".
Otherwise you would combine selling of consumer AMD/ATi cards to selling* of software in Unices.
And if the question was rhetorical - there won't be any commercial(means monetary profit from it) AMD success on linux desktop.
Selling* can be defined as selling copies(corporate proprietary commercial), selling services(corporate opensource commercial), selling (group or individual) human support(opensource commercial).
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Originally posted by crazycheese View PostYou do not want to lead the innovation, nor see opensource radeon as any vital part of your company portfolio. I understand.
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Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
I will try as soon it's in rawhide
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OK, you lost me there. How did this go from "IBM/Oracle/Novell/RedHat" to being about me ?
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