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Originally posted by mugginzWhether there are secrets or not has no relevance compared to when the hardware you buy can not even run the software you have.
This is clearly for every user to decide individually.
I can't play the Doom3 and Quake4 games I purchased several years ago using free drivers. I still bought an ATi this time.
But the world doesn't revolve around the same feture set that you require. When someone needs hardware to run the software that they need to run then they have to buy hardware that will run it. If you have minimal requirements then you have more flexibility in which hardware you can purchase.
And for many people, the openness of the software is a very important consideration, far more important than running Windows games through an emulation layer mapping Direct3D calls to bad OpenGL calls.
This is why a discussion about open drivers is certainly important in principle, even if it doesn't apply in every single case.
And many are not in that same boat.
Are you saying that all anyone ever needs a computer to do is the same things that you use a computer for.
Come on, this level of discussion is childish.
Open drivers are clearly sufficient for a huge number of tasks at the moment, and the number of people using Linux who want open drivers is also a very significant number.
Because of this alone, a discussion about the merits of open drivers cannot possibly be unimportant.
And the advantage of the closed drivers is that they support more software and where that software is the software that you need to run then that makes the choices clearer.
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Yes but why is he buying a graphics card? Is it to do virtual terminals or is it to run games?
This is what I was replying to. If this is off topic, then you made it offtopic, in an attempt to dismiss anyone with preference for open source as some lunatic.
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Originally posted by mugginz View PostAnd I mean native OpenGL software.
No no... wait i know, i know... wine + GTA4, ummmm no, no, wait, wait... wine + WOW
Seriously, i dont believe that any serious opengl application doesn't work with fglrx? but maybe i am wrong, or not?
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Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostWhether there are secrets or not has no relevance compared to when the hardware you buy can not even run the software you have.
Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostThis is clearly for every user to decide individually.
Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostI can't play the Doom3 and Quake4 games I purchased several years ago using free drivers. I still bought an ATi this time.
Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostEverybody has different requirements, and this is exactly my point.
Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostAnd for many people, the openness of the software is a very important consideration, far more important than running Windows games through an emulation layer mapping Direct3D calls to bad OpenGL calls.
Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostThis is why a discussion about open drivers is certainly important in principle, even if it doesn't apply in every single case.
Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostAnd many are not in that same boat.
Sure. I can't run OpenGL 3+ stuff using open drivers ATM.
But I don't need to. So I can run software based on open specs and open drivers.
And many people out there are in the same boat.
Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostAre you saying that all anyone ever needs a computer to do is the same things that you use a computer for.
Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostAre you saying that all anyone ever needs a computer to do is the same things that you use a computer for.
Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostOpen drivers are clearly sufficient for a huge number of tasks at the moment, and the number of people using Linux who want open drivers is also a very significant number.
Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostBecause of this alone, a discussion about the merits of open drivers cannot possibly be unimportant.
Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostAnd the advantage of the closed drivers is that they support more software and where that software is the software that you need to run then that makes the choices clearer.
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Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostYes but why is he buying a graphics card? Is it to do virtual terminals or is it to run games?
Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View PostThis is what I was replying to. If this is off topic, then you made it offtopic, in an attempt to dismiss anyone with preference for open source as some lunatic.
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Originally posted by Jimbo View PostThis is and objective and a response with arguments, thx. Can prove this to me?
No no... wait i know, i know... wine + GTA4, ummmm no, no, wait, wait... wine + WOW
Seriously, i dont believe that any serious opengl application doesn't work with fglrx? but maybe i am wrong, or not?
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pingufunkybeat the last time i tried torchlight with wine i was astonished by the results of my state-of-the-art ati 4350
wine + fglrx 29 fps
wine + opensource 20 fps
Currently ati opensource cannot compete in 3d, but in 2d is superb. But the rhythm of developing has increased a lot (see mesa mailing list). Maybe in less than a year open source could be very competitive at 3d too!
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