NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 On Linux

[IsawSparks]

Panix, I have answered these questions for you at least once before but...

By the time the ATI/AMD forums were set up we already had both open source and closed source devs responding to user issues on the Phoronix forums. We had to choose between trying to move that activity over to the ATI/AMD forums (which would end up with us having to monitor two sites rather than one) or leaving the activity here. We chose the latter.

Secondly, a lot of the usage scenarios where forum interaction makes sense are covered by the open source drivers for our products rather than proprietary drivers (remember our competitors open source driver was not really aimed at general use) so focusing more on the open source drivers is IMO a better match with what our users are... um... using.

But don't the stats posted in article benchmarked peformance on Phoronix contradict that? Aren't there far more fglrx vs FLOSS driver users?

[mugginz]

By the time the ATI/AMD forums were set up we already had both open source and closed source devs responding to user issues on the Phoronix forums. We had to choose between trying to move that activity over to the ATI/AMD forums (which would end up with us having to monitor two sites rather than one) or leaving the activity here. We chose the latter.

If any of the closed driver devs are floating around at the moment I'd like to ask if they're aware of an issue in 10.10beta with either the way amdcccle generates an xorg.conf or the way the driver parses it re: Eyefinity configs not sticking across boots.

I've tried this twice. Both times with the same outcome.

1. Install Ubuntu 10.10RC
2. Reboot from the installer session and into the installed one.
3. "Enable" fglrx via Ubuntu's "Additional drivers" tool.
4. Reboot to enable fglrx.
5. Go into amdcccle in administrator mode to set up a one desktop across three monitors configuration.
6. When clicking "OK" in amdcccle I'm prompted to reboot, which I do.
7. When the box boots back up it's back into clone mode where the same desktop is displayed on each monitor.
8. While in this mode I go back into amdcccle and re-setup a single desktop across three monitors, this time I get that and don't have to reboot.
9. I happily (mostly ) enjoy Eyefinity but....

Upon a reboot the box returns to clone mode again.

If I want single desktop across multiple monitors I must again manually start amdcccle and configure this by hand.

Unless I re-install Ubuntu 10.04 with fglrx 10.9 (which didn't have this issue) I'm not able to compare xorg.conf files. Is there anyone else running fglrx 10.9 on Ubuntu 10.04 in an Eyefinity configuration that can upload their xorg.conf?

[Panix]

Panix, I have answered these questions for you at least once before but...

By the time the ATI/AMD forums were set up we already had both open source and closed source devs responding to user issues on the Phoronix forums. We had to choose between trying to move that activity over to the ATI/AMD forums (which would end up with us having to monitor two sites rather than one) or leaving the activity here. We chose the latter.

Secondly, a lot of the usage scenarios where forum interaction makes sense are covered by the open source drivers for our products rather than proprietary drivers (remember our competitors open source driver was not really aimed at general use) so focusing more on the open source drivers is IMO a better match with what our users are... um... using.

Okay, I just don't remember those (previous) questions and subsequent answers then. You can blame it on my memory if you wish.

My concern is that the open source drivers may not cover the entire driver or feature spectrum for some cards so for some users, that may not be an option or they might only want open source drivers for certain tasks while requiring binary/closed drivers for other tasks. This is probably more applicable to newer cards as recent card owners wait for open source drivers to mature.

[bridgman]

Panix, I have answered these questions for you at least once before but...

By the time the ATI/AMD forums were set up we already had both open source and closed source devs responding to user issues on the Phoronix forums. We had to choose between trying to move that activity over to the ATI/AMD forums (which would end up with us having to monitor two sites rather than one) or leaving the activity here. We chose the latter.

Secondly, a lot of the usage scenarios where forum interaction makes sense are covered by the open source drivers for our products rather than proprietary drivers (remember our competitors open source driver was not really aimed at general use) so focusing more on the open source drivers is IMO a better match with what our users are... um... using.

[Panix]

Nvidia user here. What's said and what's reality are often mutually exclusive. I come to phoronix because they do decent investigative journalism and technical comparisons which almost no other manages to do as consistently. I also enjoy watching the ATI fan crowd try and shit on NV at every turn. It's been that way since 2002 and it'll stay that way forever. ATI drivers are shit and everyone knows this to be true. ATI is fine and often more power efficient but they still can't write a stable driver for any OS and they probably never will.

ATI are Windows supporters so I still don't understand that allegiance.

Also, the NvNews forum has at least two Linux sections and ATI has NO dedicated or specific forum for Linux users. NONE. ZIP. How does ATI profess to support Linux and not have a forum with 'Linux' as a sub-forum anywhere. The 'ATI/AMD' devs or video driver experts here are specific to the open drivers although comment on binary as well but it's only because this seems to be the only forum for discussion of any support.

But, AMD/ATI specific forums have no linux category, section or sub-forum of any kind relating to Linux.

[jalyst]

Not greatly familiar with NVidia cards so I am not real sure about what you are getting at but.............

I have a Gigabyte GTX 260SOC and Gigabyte GTX 460, the latter is as slow as a wet week compared to the 260SOC both on Linux and WindowsXP. Frames rates for the 460 are only 60% of 260SOC. Incidently I have a Radeon 4870 the GTX260SOC and this perform nearly the same.

Blacksmith

The 200 series are discussed here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_200_Series

Last year the GT 210/220 were the best solution overall in linux for those whom want well-rounded VA using VDPAU.

as Intel's IGP was still far from sufficient.
I suspect that may still be the case (albeit better), due to software support, haven't looked closely yet.

They were also just okay for some 3d acceleration, certainly better than IGP.
And most importantly were very low power...

I'm wandering what this years equivalents are called from the new 400 series* family, or are they not released yet?

*perhaps it mentioned in here, yet to read entire thing

[IsawSparks]

This literally caused me to ROFLMAO. I totally agree though, Nvidia is evil, no matter how good their drivers are.

Of course they are, they supply working drivers. So evil. ATI are doing you all such a good favour with shitty closed and open source drivers. Must feel good donating to the Cult of ATI.

[IsawSparks]

It's been said so many times already. Nvidia users are at NvNews, Ati users here.

Nvidia user here. What's said and what's reality are often mutually exclusive. I come to phoronix because they do decent investigative journalism and technical comparisons which almost no other manages to do as consistently. I also enjoy watching the ATI fan crowd try and shit on NV at every turn. It's been that way since 2002 and it'll stay that way forever. ATI drivers are shit and everyone knows this to be true. ATI is fine and often more power efficient but they still can't write a stable driver for any OS and they probably never will.

[jalyst]

the 200 series are discussed here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_200_Series

Last year the GT 210/220 were the best solution overall in linux for those whom want well-rounded VA using VDPAU.

as Intel's IGP was still far from sufficient.
I suspect that may still be the case (albeit better), due to software support, haven't looked closely yet.

They were also just okay for some 3d acceleration, certainly better than IGP.
And most importantly were very low power...

I'm wandering what this years equivalents are called from the new 400 series* family, or are they not released yet?

*perhaps it mentioned in here, yet to read entire thing

[Blacksmith]

Not greatly familiar with NVidia cards so I am not real sure about what you are getting at but.............

I have a Gigabyte GTX 260SOC and Gigabyte GTX 460, the latter is as slow as a wet week compared to the 260SOC both on Linux and WindowsXP. Frames rates for the 460 are only 60% of 260SOC. Incidently I have a Radeon 4870 the GTX260SOC and this perform nearly the same.

Blacksmith