NVIDIA Adding Experimental Vulkan Support For Executing CUDA Binaries

[wertigon]

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Open Source lovers have some weird understanding of the world around us which unfortunately isn't what the world actually is.

Windows market share in computing devices: About... 11.79%, and shrinking.
iOS + Mac market share in computing devices: About... 12.37%, and shrinking.
Android market share in computing devices: About... 54.16%, and growing.
Market share for the rest: 21.66%

Seems to support his point pretty well, methinks.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_...rating_systems (Gartner, 2015 year numbers)

Footnote; Once 3DFX and their proprietary Glide API was *the* graphics API to code for. Then, a better and more performant API came along, and it wasn't anymore. CUDA will only stay #1 as long as Nvidia can stay #1. Nvidia is gobbling money now at the cost of being invited to the next disruption.

[pracedru]

"Yes, but this also means that Windows can never be more than a niche product. If Windows is to be mainstream, they will have to open up."
"Yes, but this also means that iPhone can never be more than a niche product. If iPhone is to be mainstream, they will have to open up."

It's nice to have a functioning brain.

Those are Niche Markets. And iPhone is a particularly interesting one, seing as how it is has a clear minority marketshare, while still delivering the best profits.

This is why the definition of a niche market does not include anything about the relative size of the market, other than being a subset.

In any case, I think everyone will agree that CUDA isn't supported on non-Nvidia products, and wont be until the API is opened up, in a way where the competitors can adopt it without giving Nvidia a competetive advantage.

[birdie]

Windows market share in computing devices: About... 11.79%, and shrinking.
iOS + Mac market share in computing devices: About... 12.37%, and shrinking.
Android market share in computing devices: About... 54.16%, and growing.
Market share for the rest: 21.66%

Seems to support his point pretty well, methinks.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_...rating_systems (Gartner, 2015 year numbers)

Footnote; Once 3DFX and their proprietary Glide API was *the* graphics API to code for. Then, a better and more performant API came along, and it wasn't anymore. CUDA will only stay #1 as long as Nvidia can stay #1. Nvidia is gobbling money now at the cost of being invited to the next disruption.

Twisting reality and facts is definitely your forte. This website is dedicated to Linux on the desktop. Not Linux on IoT, mobile, whatever. Also, the Linux kernel in Android is choke full or proprietary components and Android itself as well. It has some AOSP and some Linux kernel in it, I'll give you that.

So, in Android we have:

• a ton of closed source drivers
• a ton of firmware
• google play services (without which your smartphone becomes a potato)
• a ton of proprietary software starting with the camera app (oh, and Google Camera is a very proprietary app)

So, your notion of "open" Android is just nonsense. Android could have been completely closed and it would have been as successful as it is now. If anything using the Linux kernel as a core of it gives users a lot more headache than using proprietary kernels with stable API/ABIs and forces them to abandon their perfectly working devices because e.g. Qualcomm refuses to release updated _closed_ source drivers for the Linux kernel for more than three years. In short you know pretty much nothing about Android.

And this is the reason Google wants to throw the Linux kernel out of Android: check Zircon and Fuchsia.

[birdie]

Those are Niche Markets. And iPhone is a particularly interesting one, seing as how it is has a clear minority marketshare, while still delivering the best profits.

This is why the definition of a niche market does not include anything about the relative size of the market, other than being a subset.

In any case, I think everyone will agree that CUDA isn't supported on non-Nvidia products, and wont be until the API is opened up, in a way where the competitors can adopt it without giving Nvidia a competetive advantage.

CUDA can and will be reversed engineered and made to work with AMD and Intel GPUs if NVIDIA ceases to exist. This has already happened to Glide (proprietary OpenGL like API from 3dfx) and Molten (proprietary graphical API from AMD). There's nothing magical about CUDA however given that CUDA works so well with tons of NVIDIA GPUs no one bothers.

[zxy_thf]

Windows market share in computing devices: About... 11.79%, and shrinking.
iOS + Mac market share in computing devices: About... 12.37%, and shrinking.
Android market share in computing devices: About... 54.16%, and growing.
Market share for the rest: 21.66%

Seems to support his point pretty well, methinks.

Can you list the marketshare of CUDA in General Computing?
No, you dare not. CUDA by itself is the punch-in-your-face example against your "Open" BS.
Windows did 20 years ago, and still dominate in desktop and gaming market.
Coping the fact that Steam Linux never reaches 1% of marketshare.

Again, it's nice to have a functioning brain. Until you do you won't have any idea what's happening in GPU computing.
Your "Open" propaganda never yields users of the open system because anyone who has used GPU computing will soon realize NVIDIA is pain-free, AMD is frustrating (RoCM on Navi when?), and Intel is nowhere to buy (Xe cards when?).

Novices who believed the Open propaganda, tried and headed to NVIDIA. End of the story.

"Being Open" by itself never contributes to user experiences or marketshare directly.
It's the ecosystem contributing to the marketshare, and if you have every waken up from your Android wet dream you would instantly realize it's manufactures' cheap phones, NOT Google, is the determining factor.
Who f-ing care whether the system releases its source code or not when buying a phone? Is everyone a software engineer on this planet?

By far, it's very safe to say NVIDIA is the sole pillar of the ecosystem, and the remaining ones are hopelessly building their own ones.

[zxy_thf]

CUDA can and will be reversed engineered and made to work with AMD and Intel GPUs if NVIDIA ceases to exist. This has already happened to Glide (proprietary OpenGL like API from 3dfx) and Molten (proprietary graphical API from AMD). There's nothing magical about CUDA however given that CUDA works so well with tons of NVIDIA GPUs no one bothers.

I don't think SCOTUS will count this as "fair use" this time.

[qarium]

Ah, a news piece with NVIDIA in it.
Let's have a dozen petty no-namers crapping on a successful multibillion dollars corporation.

I am 100% sure one day you will wake up in the morning and Nvidia will be gone.

yes you can not imagine this and why should it be?... thats the problem of your imagination.

i see a clear path to his point.

right now you can claim for example 3090 is better than 6900XT...

but i think even this is not true

on linux amd 6900XT is already the best option
6900XT and TSMC 7nm is already better in FPS per watt compared to samsung 8nm (what is in reality only 10nm++)

its not clear if future games will still use the Nvidia raytracing implementation because all tha main consoles like xbox and playstation5 use the amd hardware and will implement the AMD's variant of raytracing and as soon as a app implement this the 6900XT is already much faster than a 3090...

AMDs Fidelity FX Super Resolution is soon here and the people will see that DLSS2 is a "hoax"
a hoax because simple algorithm can be better than so calles deep learning super resolution.

soon AMD has RDNA3 in 5nm... 40-60% faster than a 6900XT... and right now Nvidia is forced to use the 8nm Samsung node
means soon Nvidia will not have competive products any longer.

in near future Vulkan compute in the name of WebGPU will make CUDA obsolete and near all big players will use WebGPU on all platforms not only the browser... they just use the browser to make sure it become a standard and after this you will see it outside of the browser to.

this all will make sure the time of Nvidia is over.

all in this forum know you are clueless person without any future planing abilities
you only see what is right now the case but out of your imagination soon your dreamworld will vanish into history.

edit: in germany a 6900XT is 1700€ right now and a 3090 is 2900€
check: https://geizhals.de/?cat=gra16_512&x...+16+-+RTX+3090

https://geizhals.de/?cat=gra16_512&xf=132_16384%7E9816_02+04+11+-+RX+6900+XT

this means a person already need to be insane to give 1100€ more to buy Nvidia..

[birdie]

...

Your insinuations are just that. No substance, nothing.

[tildearrow]

Ah, a news piece with NVIDIA in it.

Let's have a dozen petty no-namers crapping on a successful multibillion dollars corporation.

Ah, a news piece with NVIDIA in it.

Let's have an NVIDIA fanatic write a post to prompt a flamewar and put the forum on fire all over again.

[qarium]

Your insinuations are just that. No substance, nothing.

dude i do monitor all computer tech for over like 25 years...
i was right in predicting the future so many times i can not even count it anymore.

i told you that you think i am wrong because you have no imagination of the future.
you focus on what is right now and what is the past. i give you that thats a skill to.

but your ability to extrapolate the future is plain and simple non-existent.

all i said is true you pay 1100€ more to get an nvidia card thats alone should make you wonder.
that amd is already faster in FPS per watt should make you wonder.
that there is some kind of raytracing implementation in what amd is much faster than nvidia should make you wonder
of course nvidia will push any game developer on earth to make sure the implementation who is in favor of nvidia is used
but the possibility that the developers ignor the huge success of playstation5 and xbox is ZERO...

Nvidia is on 8nm Samsung node for a long long time and RDNA3 with 5nm will be their downfall.
to make it 40-60% faster at the same price at the same power consumption is absolutely no problem with 5nm.

the linux kernel is removing Nvidia-closed-source-only stuff means Nvidia will have a hard time to do closed source drivers on linux. this alone means that nvidia will not be a good option for linux any longer.

as soon as WebGPU Compute hit the market CUDA will be gone...