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Originally posted by rene View Post
You truely did not understand OpenSource. If you want to run binary only stuff there is Windows and macOS for you. "I hate closed source" is what people like Linus and all the others like me wrote all the ecosystem up out of nothing for 30 years. And now you ant to tell us we should accept undebugable, and questionable security binary only drivers in our kernel? There is nothing self-righteous in having register lever specifications to write software and drivers for your hardware. Undebugable, buggy vendor drivers and OS is exactly what OpenSource, Linux & BSD is about. Funny how fanboy users repeatedly want to sugar talk that to the actual freaking developers.
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Originally posted by Bobby Bob View Post
Yeah I'm actually OK with expecting a GPU manufacturer to be the one responsible for developing a GPU driver and fixing bugs or adding features... They make the hardware, I expect them to make the drivers...
That is perfectly valid in Windows -- and not in OSX AFAIK, as OS drivers are provided by Apple there.
If you use linux, you are supposed to use a open stack (yes you can install binary stuff, but you do not get the full stack benefits)
Kernel developers are clear about that!
As some others wrote already, otherwise what's the point in 30+ years of open development and craftsmanship?
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Originally posted by ryad View Post
While agreeing to some extend (using oss drivers only myself), I believe this "black-and-white" mentality doesn't help much either. Some people tend to forget that using Linux is not a religion. Using Linux is a tool to get work done productively.
But you are (possibly) breaching other ppl copyrights (and disrespecting _their_ work) by installing binary only, closed source, OS drivers.
Use them if you need, but do not "brag" about it.
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Originally posted by rene View PostNobody serious in Linux and Open Source touches this binary-only blob like it's Covid. And AMD's equal performance Big Navi RDNA2 is just around the corner, soooo, .... yolo.
The AMD Radeon Graphics Driver Makes Up Roughly 10.5% Of The Linux KernelLast edited by Slartifartblast; 13 October 2020, 05:05 AM.
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Originally posted by rene View Post
I'm outside often enough. You however, should stop fanboying GPU manufactures when actually open source kernel developers tell you this is not how it is supposed to work. If you don't like freedom, there is Windows, and Cuba for you. I hope Nvidia is paying you well for this fanboy trolling.
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Originally posted by Slartifartblast View Post
I guess you missed this article, non AMD users may consider it unwanted bloat....
The AMD Radeon Graphics Driver Makes Up Roughly 10.5% Of The Linux Kernel
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Originally posted by Grinness View PostIf you use linux, you are supposed to use a open stack (yes you can install binary stuff, but you do not get the full stack benefits)
Kernel developers are clear about that!
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Originally posted by rene View Post
You truely did not understand OpenSource. If you want to run binary only stuff there is Windows and macOS for you. "I hate closed source" is what people like Linus and all the others like me wrote all the ecosystem up out of nothing for 30 years. And now you ant to tell us we should accept undebugable, and questionable security binary only drivers in our kernel? There is nothing self-righteous in having register lever specifications to write software and drivers for your hardware.
Originally posted by rene View PostUndebugable, buggy vendor drivers and OS is exactly what OpenSource, Linux & BSD is about. Funny how fanboy users repeatedly want to sugar talk that to the actual freaking developers.
Again, crap on top of crap. You live in an open source fairy tale where Open Source software is perfect, only right of this moment I have at least half a dozen bugs in the Linux kernel itself for my hardware some of which were reported years ago and no one gives a fuck.
Or take this bug for example. Multiple, literally millions of systems are affected, and Linux developers say some crap why it can't be solved: Well, TBH, it is probably that there is no way to fix this. The root cause is that ACPI claims some resources that will possibly be used by the ACPI AML code, but the native nct6775 driver also requests the same piece of resource.
Or take this bug which took me a good amount of debugging and the help of a number of Linux kernel developers including Linus Torvalds himself. The bug rendered a good amount of laptops dead on boot. No one cared except me. People would have given up on Linux entirely if not me. That's all so fucking disgusting. An Open Source dream. More like an open source hell where no one is responsible for anything at all.Last edited by birdie; 13 October 2020, 05:26 AM.
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Originally posted by rene View Post
Just because one news writer does not understand register level header files does not make an open source driver bloat.
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