Intel Core i7 8700K Linux Benchmarks

[duby229]

So, by my advice, I need to educate myself. As my method of doing this, I'm asking you, an apparent expert in the field. Please tell me which Intel products are for me, and which are supposedly for gamers.

Look, you're full grown man I don't need to babysit you. Obviously you're interested enough to research when you buy something that it fits your needs. Whether that product was marketed at you or not, you'll be able to determine if it'll work for you. Which is -entirely- beside the point. Whether it works for you or not doesn't matter one tiny bit for people that aren't you. (Your implication is that if it works for you then that covers everyone, and it's just plain wrong)

(Which brings us right back to the same unanswered question, what's the bigger waste for Intel?)

[Gusar]

Look, you're full grown man I don't need to babysit you.

This isn't about babysitting (WTF??). It's about you backing up your arguments. You claim Coffee Lake is not for me. What is then? I want you to answer that so that we'll all be able to see you know what you're talking about.

(Your implication is that if it works for you then that covers everyone, and it's just plain wrong)

Err, no, where did you get that from again??

(Which brings us right back to the same unanswered question, what's the bigger waste for Intel?)

Clearly adding the L4 cache. Gamers won't make use of it anyway (they'll use a discrete graphics card), while others don't really need it.

[duby229]

This isn't about babysitting (WTF??). It's about you backing up your arguments. You claim Coffee Lake is not for me. What is then? I want you to answer that so that we'll all be able to see you know what you're talking about.


Err, no, where did you get that from again??


Clearly adding the L4 cache. Gamers won't make use of it anyway (they'll use a discrete graphics card), while others don't really need it.

I never said anything at all about Coffeelake. Not all Coffeelakes are targeted at gamers but -this- one is....
Yes you did
No, your definitely wrong. Right now the only choice is to buy a discreet GPU and that's despite Intels marketing. You already know better, but most people don't, including bestbuy and walmart salesmen. 90% or more of the machines shipped with this exact processor will -not- have a discreet GPU. You can say a discreet GPU is required, and it is, but most won't have one.

[bug77]

So again it's the same exact question, what is a bigger waste on this product, a GPU that doesn't meet the requirements of its target market as is, or an L4 cache that would make that same GPU usable in that same market?

The biggest waste is trying to reason with you in this thread it seems. The IGP is the same as it has always been (i.e. good enough for everything but games), yet you've made a huge fixation on it as if Intel has ripped you off of something.
Intel was already the better choice for gaming when it only had four cores, now it has six. For roughly the same price. That's the news today.

[duby229]

The biggest waste is trying to reason with you in this thread it seems. The IGP is the same as it has always been (i.e. good enough for everything but games), yet you've made a huge fixation on it as if Intel has ripped you off of something.
Intel was already the better choice for gaming when it only had four cores, now it has six. For roughly the same price. That's the news today.

Except for the vast majority of people....

EDIT: Here's an 11 year old article that points out exactly what I'm saying. It's 11 years old. It's not news. You act like this is a brand new scenario, except it was old news even this article was made....

https://www.engadget.com/2006/07/12/epics-mark-rein-intel-is-killing-pc-gaming/

[Gusar]

I never said anything at all about Coffeelake. Not all Coffeelakes are targeted at gamers but -this- one is....

Ah, so specifically the 8700K is targeted at gamers, ok. Now I get your argumentation - it's not about generations as I thought, but specific parts inside a generation that target gamers or other groups.

But the thing is, all Coffee Lakes have the same GPU. So whether Intel considers a part for gamers or not is clearly not about the GPU. Which means my argumentation was correct, Intel markets the *CPU* to various groups, even though what they sell is an APU. And there you were, accusing me of "nitpicking terminology"...

No, your definitely wrong. Right now the only choice is to buy a discreet GPU and that's despite Intels marketing.

But as was just determined above, Intel's marketing is about the CPU.

You already know better, but most people don't, including bestbuy and walmart salesmen. 90% or more of the machines shipped with this exact processor will -not- have a discreet GPU.

So It's exactly as I said, the retailers failing to properly guide their customers. Selling "gaming" machines, which in fact aren't. That can't possibly be on Intel.

[duby229]

Ah, so specifically the 8700K is targeted at gamers, ok. Now I get your argumentation - it's not about generations as I thought, but specific parts inside a generation that target gamers or other groups.

But the thing is, all Coffee Lakes have the same GPU. So whether Intel considers a part for gamers or not is clearly not about the GPU. Which means my argumentation was correct, Intel markets the *CPU* to various groups, even though what they sell is an APU. And there you were, accusing me of "nitpicking terminology"...


But as was just determined above, Intel's marketing is about the CPU.



So It's exactly as I said, the retailers failing to properly guide their customers. Selling "gaming" machines, which in fact aren't. That can't possibly be on Intel.

Don't you think that's exactly what the root cause of this decades old problem is? Intel leads the way with their marketing. They stamp stickers all over machines with their products and many of which directly target gamers. A Bestbuy or Walmart salsemen is going to sell exactly what they have. That's Intel's fault for sticking the same inadequate GPU on every product. There is no one else to blame but them.

That's not to mean it's inadequate for every computer, but basically every computer sold to a home user where gaming is expected.

[Gusar]

Don't you think that's exactly what the root cause of this decades old problem is? Intel leads the way with their marketing. They stamp stickers all over machines with their products and many of which directly target gamers. A Bestbuy or Walmart salsemen is going to sell exactly what they have. That's Intel's fault for sticking the same inadequate GPU on every product. There is no one else to blame but them.

Err, Intel is not putting these machines together. The retailers are. Or if not them directly, then they get their machines from some OEM. So if the salesemen are clueless, the OEM shouldn't be. Still not Intel's fault.

[duby229]

Err, Intel is not putting these machines together. The retailers are. Or if not them directly, then they get their machines from some OEM. So if the salesemen are clueless, the OEM shouldn't be. Still not Intel's fault.

Yes it is. Most definitely. Intel has already proven to the whole world their GPU needs an L4 cache to get decent performance out of it. They didn't put it on the products that are targeted gamers. OEM's and PC buiders are doing what Intel advertised (and contracted) for them to do, and salesmen are selling what they have. The root cause is definitely at Intel.

EDIT: I highly recommend you google search for MOAP. Intel has a long history of iron clad contracts that cut out all competition. They don't want third party GPU's shipped with their products. They'd rather their products be the only products, except that for gamers which includes almost all home PC's, their products aren't adequate.

[Gusar]

They didn't put it on the products that are targeted gamers.

The CPU is what's being targeted. So why are you still harping about the GPU? Intel is not claiming that their GPUs are for gaming with their marketing.

EDIT: I highly recommend you google search for MOAP. Intel has a long history of iron clad contracts that cut out all competition. They don't want third party GPU's shipped with their products.

That's something *entirely* different from what you've been arguing until now.

except that for gamers which includes almost all home PC's

[citation needed]

Seriously, only you are claiming that most home PCs are gaming machines.