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people don't get the most simple way to name such chips who represent the performance and price in one single number ans was right the last 40 years...
1 tranistor can switch to on or off... 1 or 0 ...
modern cpus have 10 billion tranistors and 6000mhz means 6000 million on/off switches per second.
means (10billions*clock speed)= result
10 000 000 000*6 000 000 000=6.E19
this is the one single number they won't ever tell their customers because with that number they can not "cheat" and without cheat there is no profit.
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Originally posted by jaxa View Post
Yes, they are Atom cores. The recent generations are:
Goldmont Plus (Gemini Lake/Refresh)
Tremont (Jasper Lake, also used in the experimental Lakefield CPUs)
Gracemont (Alder Lake)
Crestmont (future Meteor Lake)
We haven't seen the chips with only Gracemont E-cores yet. Leaks are calling it Alder Lake-N with 8 cores per die instead of 4 cores of previous Atom generations. Maybe there will be some other subtle differences relating to, e.g. the cache. Check the Gracemont article to see what changed from Tremont. Support for instruction sets like AVX and AVX2 is pretty notable. They basically threw in everything that wasn't AVX-512 to make it work seamlessly with the big cores, and then AVX-512 was (eventually) physically disabled on the big cores.
One difference I just noticed: Raptor Lake will double L2 cache per quad-core Gracemont cluster to 4 MB, while it will stay 2 MB for all of the Alder Lake CPUs including N.
I'm going back to my earlier statement then: for the next-next gen they should just name then as such:
Generation-model (example for desktops given current specs for 12th gen):
14-1xx -> "Celeron/Atom class" 0 P cores, all E cores
14-2xx -> "Pentium class" 1-2 P cores
14-3xx -> "Core i3 class" 4 P cores
14-5xx -> "Core i5 class" 6 P cores
14-7xx -> "Core i7 class" 8 P cores
14-9xx -> "Core i9 class" 8+ P cores, enthusiast class
Now you have 1 product lineup. No division between low-end "Atom-only" architecture and mainstream, since they're already using Atom cores in their mainstream chips. It's just all Intel CPU's. Missing model numbers like 14-400, 600, 800, etc., can be used for alternate series or maybe mobile chips or something else.
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So, instead of associating "Celeron" as a no-good processor, it's now going to be "Intel Processor" instead? Talk about shooting yourself in the foot...
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Originally posted by ClosedSource View Post
It's actually the opposite if you look closer. GNOME does it for cohesion and prioritizing app usability over their own branding (I'm not referring to gnome-shell). Nautilus doesn't particularly imply file browsing but it does say "GNOME" branding. It's the same with Microsoft Edge. At no point does the name tell users that this is where you access the web. For new computer users, Microsoft can improve usability by making Edge shortcuts say "Web Browser".
But now that we're seriously discussing this: I understand GNOME's approach, but I wish they would've done it the way Deepin does it. Deepin uses generic names too, but precedes it with "Deepin", i.e. Deepin File Manager, Deepin Movie, Deepin Screenshot. Still generic enough for new users to understand, but not so generic that it looks weird or out of place (since it's clear which DE the apps belong to) to more experienced users.
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Originally posted by birdie View PostLet's hope they'll use this opportunity to deprecate/stop selling CPUs having fewer than four physical cores. Nowadays systems with dual-core CPUs are a pain to use and Intel dares sell Celeron G6900 (from the same generation as Alder Lake) which has just two cores and no HT. That's just ugly.
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Originally posted by Waethorn View PostHere's a question: are the E cores in the hybrid models the same design as what was in the "Atom-architecture" budget Pentium and Celeron CPU/SoC family, like the Cherry Trail to Jasper Lake era stuff, or are they an entirely new core design just for the mainstream hybrid CPU's?
Goldmont Plus (Gemini Lake/Refresh)
Tremont (Jasper Lake, also used in the experimental Lakefield CPUs)
Gracemont (Alder Lake)
Crestmont (future Meteor Lake)
We haven't seen the chips with only Gracemont E-cores yet. Leaks are calling it Alder Lake-N with 8 cores per die instead of 4 cores of previous Atom generations. Maybe there will be some other subtle differences relating to, e.g. the cache. Check the Gracemont article to see what changed from Tremont. Support for instruction sets like AVX and AVX2 is pretty notable. They basically threw in everything that wasn't AVX-512 to make it work seamlessly with the big cores, and then AVX-512 was (eventually) physically disabled on the big cores.
One difference I just noticed: Raptor Lake will double L2 cache per quad-core Gracemont cluster to 4 MB, while it will stay 2 MB for all of the Alder Lake CPUs including N.Last edited by jaxa; 17 September 2022, 08:23 PM.
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Here's another question: why do they only use odd numbers for the Core iX branding?
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Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post
I know. Most normal people can't even remember the i5 or whatever that is written on the sticker on the front of their PC.
Did you just out yourself as an American who lives in the South? Been my experience that calling everything "Coke" is a Southern thing. Guess who lives in the South to know that's true?
I'm full of useless knowledge like that.
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Here's a question: are the E cores in the hybrid models the same design as what was in the "Atom-architecture" budget Pentium and Celeron CPU/SoC family, like the Cherry Trail to Jasper Lake era stuff, or are they an entirely new core design just for the mainstream hybrid CPU's?
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