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Intel Arc Graphics A380: Compelling For Open-Source Enthusiasts & Developers At ~$139
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Michael Larabel
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Originally posted by tildearrow View PostA Windows vs. Linux benchmark is the next thing I want to see.
I have a feeling Windows is currently faster...
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Originally posted by coder View PostWhat's happened with PC GPU prices over the last two years isn't primarily the duopoly of producers. It's crypto, pandemic, & deep learning fueling demand, up against a historical crunch in silicon production capacity. Rampant scalping only further contributed to scarcity and astronomical pricing.
Originally posted by coder View PostIntel being in the game would've made virtually no difference, because they'd all be sourcing from the same fabs.
Originally posted by coder View PostThey have limited leverage over their suppliers and prices have gone up throughout the economy.
Originally posted by coder View PostThat's why I think the "rumors" of cancellation is nothing more than a bunch of bored gamers echoing each others' scornful sentiments that their unrealistic expectations weren't met.
and this one on that matter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH2s5HeZzs8
Both Youtubers have their own proven sources at Intel and if both are talking about at the possibility of cancelation of Arc and such a review of the upper management team, then Intel at least considers that as an option. There is no point of reading too much into it at this point in time, but I think it is part of their internal mind games to put more pressure on AXG to improve their execution. Both Youtubers also make that clear in their reporting.Last edited by ms178; 28 August 2022, 02:41 PM.
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Originally posted by numacross View PostA 75W card having an 8-pin external power supply doesn't sound like the TBP is realistic. Intel's CPU TDP definition (only at base clocks) isn't realistic either.
TPU tested the A380 and found that it's using 94W at maximum load with 102W spikes:
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The desktop power usage is higher than expected for a card this small.
Edit: Interestingly GTX 1060 peaks at 125W while being ~25% faster, so that doesn't look really good for A380 considering that 1060 is a 5-year old GPU made in a 16nm process.
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this is a fake launch here in germany or europe there is zero intel arc a380 cards...
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DG1 was fake launch only to supply some developers
DG2 is fake launch only to supply some benchmark and testing websites like phoronix.
if there is not a single card in the complete EU this is clearly a fake launch.
you can say this card is so cheap: ~$139 as long as you want if there is not a single card to buy this price is fake.
i think this second generation intel gpu card is right now only for adanced testers and people like [email protected] to help the development with their testing and checking all kind of stuff.
this is right now not really a card for consumers. even if the AV1 part and the cheap price would be nice for people who do not game but want av1 encode/decode ...
i think intel as a complete entity is "Evil" but this fresh wind of competition agaist nvidia and AMD is a good thing.
AMD could have doomed this intel ARC a380 if the 6400/6500 would have AV1 decode...
so now you have the situation that amd 6400/6500 is much faster and even faster per dollar but no AV1 decode or encode.
just imagine this: if AMD makes an 7400/7500 with AV1 decode most people will no longer have interest in the intel gpu.
so basically everyone who buys this ARC a380 is telling AMD: put AV1 into 7400/7500 or else we will support intel...
so by this logic it is a good thing right now the next best option is the amd rx6600 at 275€ with AV1 decode...
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According to the following Internet article, resize rebar is not absolutely required for using Intel Arc GPUs,
"No, you won’t need a Core 10th Gen CPU or newer for Intel Arc graphics cards; Demystifying Intel’s Arc quick start guide"
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/no-...graphics-cards
Intel Arc A-Series Graphics - Desktop Quick Start Guide
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Q: Why do I need to enable Resizable BAR?
A: Resizable BAR must be enabled for optimal performance in all applications using Intel® Arc™ A-Series Graphics.
I agree, if true, seems misleading.
If so, cannot wait until I am able to rid my computer system of the nVidia proprietary drivers. However, looks like I'll be waiting until the end or beginning of 2022/2023 for purchasing an Intl Arc GPU successor for my current nVidia GTX 670.
Last edited by rogerx; 28 August 2022, 04:03 PM.
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Originally posted by rogerx View PostAccording to the following Internet article, resize rebar is not absolutely required for using Intel Arc GPUs,
"No, you won’t need a Core 10th Gen CPU or newer for Intel Arc graphics cards; Demystifying Intel’s Arc quick start guide"
Intel have confirmed to use that their Arc graphics will work with Intel and AMD CPUs alike, though Resizable BAR support comes strongly recommended.
If so, cannot wait until I am able to rid my computer system of the nVidia proprietary drivers. However, looks like I'll be waiting until the end or beginning of 2022/2023 for purchasing an Intl Arc GPU successor for my current nVidia GTX 670.
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Originally posted by pWe00Iri3e7Z9lHOX2Qx View Post
I'm not sure why some people seem to be cheering on the demise of Intel dGPUs. The duopoly we have now is not good for consumers. The last few years of mining fueled bullshit prices make Intel even more interesting. They are the only ones with their own fabs, so once they (incredibly slowly) unscrew their < 14nm fiasco, we would eventually end up with a 3rd player who isn't trying to compete with everyone in the world for TSMC capacity. That obviously isn't the case now and Intel needs TSMC just like everyone else, but the path to more GPUs available in the market is there.
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Originally posted by birdie View Post
This card raytracing performance is laughable and it's just there for show and tensor-like blocks barely take any space as they are very simple.
If you say it's not tensor cores, it's definitely some new feature, and I'd bet Arc also has it. Unless you are claiming that the RTX series just randomly happened to suck architecturally and it was no relation to all the new hardware features being added. I'm very doubtful of that.
2060 had 10.8 billion transistors, versus 7.2 for the 1070 Ti around similar performance. 50% more for no performance gain. Makes much more sense to compare that. If you take take that multiplier to the 1060, you get 6.6b which is around 10% lower than Arc. So still better, but nothing as extreme as your initial post would suggest considering it's intel's first gen. And the 2060 didn't have an equivalent video encoder either.Last edited by smitty3268; 28 August 2022, 05:58 PM.
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