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Originally posted by sykobee View PostMaybe the next Pi will be a 12nm SoC using A76s, but it depends on the licensing fee. It might go to a 2+4 A76+A55 for example. Faster A72s on 12nm would not be a disaster though.
And, on the point about economics, $35 is a red line they'll not willingly cross (i.e. for entry-level models). So, I think maybe the next Pi could use A73 cores, but certainly not A76.
And there's no real case for a big.little configuration, like you have in in a phone SoC. That just adds cost, only to benefit a very small number of users running them off battery power. The main reason other SBCs have a big.little configuration is that they're using existing SoC chips made for things like tablets, whereas the Pi's SoC is now purpose-made by Broadcom specifically for the Pi (the original Pi's SoC was targeted at set-top-boxes).
Originally posted by sykobee View PostWhat it does need is a better GPU configuration, which 12nm would allow
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Originally posted by TemplarGR View PostAs long as all the software people want to use is mainly written for x86, you can forget about ARM on the desktop. Sorry.
Many distros now offer ARM builds, and people have been using Pi as a desktop virtually since its inception! Desktop usage is the whole reason why the Pi v4 has dual-HDMI connectors and can run them at 4k!
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Originally posted by kvuj View PostThe rest is either monstrous (chromium) or uses x86 asm for hot code path (like VLC's decoder).
Normally, when you do an optimized asm path, you maintain a generic C/C++ version to use for testing and portability to other platforms. However, I'd be surprised if VLC didn't have an asm path for ARM for many years, already.
Originally posted by kvuj View PostIn the case of Windows, since every app is compiled by their developers, it's hard to force them to cross compile for Arm, but that's Microsoft's problem.
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Originally posted by PerformanceExpert View PostThe fastest super computer is A64FX.
Originally posted by PerformanceExpert View PostThe fastest server is Ampere Altra (yes it beats not only Rome but also Milan). All Arm based.
Once the N2-based servers start shipping, then you'll be able to make that claim. Until then, your agenda will have to cool it.
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Originally posted by Almindor View PostAnything closed source won't work simply because it won't get a recompile. So basically all the games.
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People are so delusional it is almost tiring to respond. Guys, preaching about the year of the ARM desktop is the same as preaching for the year of the Linux desktop. It's just not happening any time soon, period. "B-b-b-b-but but my distro has binaries for arm....." So what? Commercial software, including all video games (which is the no1 factor behind a platform's adoption and that is a historical FACT) are still made for x86. Period. So yeah, you can use your arm distro but forget about any proprietary code. I can see the waves of billions of users coming on ARM Linux.... NOT.
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Originally posted by coder View PostI've run VLC on my Pi since maybe like 2013 or so. I've had VLC on my phones for probably less time than that, but still a long time.
Normally, when you do an optimized asm path, you maintain a generic C/C++ version to use for testing and portability to other platforms. However, I'd be surprised if VLC didn't have an asm path for ARM for many years, already.
If we take a look at VLC's AV1 decoder, then x86 and ARM have handwritten ASM instructions whereas POWER doesn't and uses plain old C.
Originally posted by coder View PostIf they're written in C# or other languages that compile to Microsoft's bytecode format, then they should already run on ARM. Remember, MS was trying to get this all sorted out, back when they were still pushing Windows Phones! They've also supported Surface and other tablets & netbooks with ARM CPUs for a long time.Last edited by kvuj; 01 April 2021, 11:18 AM.
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Originally posted by blacknova View Post
You got a piece of non extensible and very closed hardware. Yeah, joy.
What I want to see, is something more open to user - configurable memory, pci-e slots, hell socketed processors.
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