Git 2.24 Released With Commit Graphs By Default, Adoption Of Contributor Covenant

[Ilphrin]

I am the kind of person that likes toxic communities, and it's the reason why I even bother posting here. If people aren't elitist, there's not much appeal for me in a community.

You may be misunderstanding something, 'toxic' does not mean a community that includes only 'elit' (whatever sense you give to that), it means a community with a bad behavior focused on someone's nationality, gender, color, or anything personal. Saying that you likes toxic communities is like telling everyone that you like to behave like a racist or a sexist person. But having an 'elitist' community just means that you want the best in their work. And whether you want an elitist community or not, no one should judge someone else on his/her origin or gender instead of focusing on his/her work, and that is the purpose of the contributor covenant.

Your project won't shine magically with that, but people that will work with you will be happier, and a new contributor may come more easily knowing that.
It is saying: Don't be a jerk, do you job and help other do theirs.

[onicsis]

And what will happen? Number of contributors will explode?

When people complain about the contributor covenant I often see them rail against the politics, but very rarely do I see them list the specific behaviours they want to engage in that would be prohibited by it.

Going by the 'our standards' section, they would need to make the following statements:

• I do not want to use welcoming and inclusive language.
• I do not want to be respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences.
• I do not want to gracefully accept constructive criticism.
• I do not want to focus on what's best for the community.
• I do not want to show empathy for other community members.

and:

• I want to use sexualised language or images, and engage in unwanted sexual attention or advances.
• I want to troll, make insulting/derogatory comments, and engage in personal or political attacks.
• I want to harass community members publicly or privately.
• I want to publish others’ private information, such as a physical or electronic address, without explicit permission.
• I want to behave in a way that would reasonably be considered inappropriate in a professional setting.

How many people look at the above statements and think "those behaviours would make a community better". What project would be improved by allowing the behaviour described above?

Personally, I don't see anything excluded by the contributor covenant that I'd want to keep.

I am the kind of person that likes toxic communities, and it's the reason why I even bother posting here. If people aren't elitist, there's not much appeal for me in a community.

It is fascinating that, despite all hand wringing, whinging and dire expectations, that projects that have adopted these inclusivity codes have yet to blow up in a cloud of SJW infighting.

maybe, just maybe... they work

Do you remember ayo.js? Shitstorms happen, and there is tangible evidence of that.

I can go on with people who push this stuff onto people, for instance user named antifa attacking ZeroNet recently…

[archkde]

Replace inclusivity with exclusivity, and you've got it right, because thats what they are. I will never contribute to projects adopting these insane statements, purely on principle, and you know what's so ironic, I am a minority, but I've got the wrong politics and principles.

Contributor covenant is not about minorities, it's about your behavior. Just focus on the code and not the person who wrote it, and you will be fine.

[archibald]

When people complain about the contributor covenant I often see them rail against the politics, but very rarely do I see them list the specific behaviours they want to engage in that would be prohibited by it.

Going by the 'our standards' section, they would need to make the following statements:

• I do not want to use welcoming and inclusive language.
• I do not want to be respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences.
• I do not want to gracefully accept constructive criticism.
• I do not want to focus on what's best for the community.
• I do not want to show empathy for other community members.

and:

• I want to use sexualised language or images, and engage in unwanted sexual attention or advances.
• I want to troll, make insulting/derogatory comments, and engage in personal or political attacks.
• I want to harass community members publicly or privately.
• I want to publish others’ private information, such as a physical or electronic address, without explicit permission.
• I want to behave in a way that would reasonably be considered inappropriate in a professional setting.

How many people look at the above statements and think "those behaviours would make a community better". What project would be improved by allowing the behaviour described above?

Personally, I don't see anything excluded by the contributor covenant that I'd want to keep.

[slalomsk8er]

If you are a contributor to any of these many projects which have adopted this code of conduct or something similar, what do you do when they introduced this ... how exactly does it impact you? You say that you will withhold your contributions from any projects which have adopted inclusive behaviour, but this is you boycotting, that's different from you being excluded. Most employment opportunities require you to accept similar standard of behaviour, so perhaps you feel your space in the world is shrinking. But I don't see why this code would stop you from contributing.

We don't see Linux falling apart ... it adopted the code of conduct 14 months ago. This list of big projects using this code reads like a who's who of major projects. These initiatives are consistently driven by senior members of the respective projects.

There are the young autistic and abrasive geniuses that haven't yet learned to be nice. I guess a lot of the senior now embracing the code of conduct would have been kicked out citing such just a couple of decades earlier

Why any body demands good people skills from the geeks and nerds is beyond me.

Isn't it enough to sift the ones that matured well for managerial jobs.

Oh end there is also the problem of progressive-ism - even here in tech there are conservative minded folk that get appalled by the power grab and the.

[timrichardson]

Ah yes, another great project decides to poison itself with toxic and regressive politics. Fascinating.

If you are a contributor to any of these many projects which have adopted this code of conduct or something similar, what do you do when they introduced this ... how exactly does it impact you? You say that you will withhold your contributions from any projects which have adopted inclusive behaviour, but this is you boycotting, that's different from you being excluded. Most employment opportunities require you to accept similar standard of behaviour, so perhaps you feel your space in the world is shrinking. But I don't see why this code would stop you from contributing.

We don't see Linux falling apart ... it adopted the code of conduct 14 months ago. This list of big projects using this code reads like a who's who of major projects. These initiatives are consistently driven by senior members of the respective projects.

[boxie]

Replace inclusivity with exclusivity, and you've got it right, because thats what they are. I will never contribute to projects adopting these insane statements, purely on principle, and you know what's so ironic, I am a minority, but I've got the wrong politics and principles.

I have gone and read the CoC, it seems pretty standard - the tl;dr is "be nice to people" - how is it a bad thing?

[Redfoxmoon]

It is fascinating that, despite all hand wringing, whinging and dire expectations, that projects that have adopted these inclusivity codes have yet to blow up in a cloud of SJW infighting.

maybe, just maybe... they work

Replace inclusivity with exclusivity, and you've got it right, because thats what they are. I will never contribute to projects adopting these insane statements, purely on principle, and you know what's so ironic, I am a minority, but I've got the wrong politics and principles.