Samsung Finally Launches Its First Tizen Smartphone

[Spittie]

Sailfish? Native apps through Qt, HTML5 and Android. Can't lose, there. They're as open as open can be right now, especially with regards to the mobile universe. So yeah, not even same league technically speaking, as other the OS'.

Android is more open (as in free/open software) than Sailfish OS, at least for now.

[zanny]

The applications are already there, like Kingsoft (can't trust it, being free and closed binary from China...it's just not in line with their entire culture right now), Google Doc's any online office really so on so forth. The power in the mobile device is potentially awesome. Just need people to make it work. I can't stand this you only do serious work at a desktop BS. You crunch number's at a desk (supported by massive CPU/GPU/RAM/DISC systems if need be), you do everything else when and where you can. HTML5 tome is running the app on your device, but manipulating content on on Server X (yours, or hosted elsewheres), just like those 3D games that do the grunt work online.

Libreoffice does use Qt for its UI rendering, I wonder how much work it would take to port it to Qt on Android. Probably a lot. But at least it doesn't require a Java rewrite. You could dock it and use the desktop UI. And on all these competitor OSes, it would be much easier since Qt is their native app toolkit.

[stiiixy]

And that Apples rapid loss of control of the smartphone market, and encroaching loss of the tablet market, are due to their strict coherence to their vision that lead them to putting their sandbox in a bank vault with military grade militia guarding the doors, while Android, where Google will build the castle on its own in the back room but let you mess with the village around it and are taking over the industry.

Why do you sound like a Lannister when you say this? =D

[stiiixy]

Sailfish? Native apps through Qt, HTML5 and Android. Can't lose, there. They're as open as open can be right now, especially with regards to the mobile universe. So yeah, not even same league technically speaking, as other the OS'.

Maemo, Meego, Mer and Sailfish are all same team as far as I am concerned, considering their code-base, grass-roots nature, goals and idealistic ethics. Maemo is on its own in reality, but again, the points I make and when you realise they're all doing something to target a market specifically until Sailfish which is built bottom's-up to expand from smallest (smartphones) up to mid (big tablets), it's usually no problem to build for lowest common denominator and with all the build systems being open, automation magic happens (at least you doe-monkey's make it seem like that!)

Just to throw it out there, I still wish for the day we get an OS and mobile device that can make calls, play movies, and can actually dock to my KB, mouse and monitor at home easily (BT was invented for a reason) for my officey things. The applications are already there, like Kingsoft (can't trust it, being free and closed binary from China...it's just not in line with their entire culture right now), Google Doc's any online office really so on so forth. The power in the mobile device is potentially awesome. Just need people to make it work. I can't stand this you only do serious work at a desktop BS. You crunch number's at a desk (supported by massive CPU/GPU/RAM/DISC systems if need be), you do everything else when and where you can. HTML5 tome is running the app on your device, but manipulating content on on Server X (yours, or hosted elsewheres), just like those 3D games that do the grunt work online.

Bring it on!

[zanny]

One could argue that Apple's success is mostly due to them sticking to their vision only.

And that Apples rapid loss of control of the smartphone market, and encroaching loss of the tablet market, are due to their strict coherence to their vision that lead them to putting their sandbox in a bank vault with military grade militia guarding the doors, while Android, where Google will build the castle on its own in the back room but let you mess with the village around it and are taking over the industry.

[doom_Oo7]

I assume it is just three companies who want to keep all the toys to themselves, building sandcastles that are lopsided but "look like their vision",

One could argue that Apple's success is mostly due to them sticking to their vision only.

[zanny]

And it's better than Sailfish, which it probably wont be.

I am really curious why Ubuntu Touch, Sailfish, and Tizen are all independent projects. They all need all the help they can get, and none of them are working together, even though they are doing the exact same thing (qt apps, gesture based navigation, whole-GNU stack, and two of them are using Wayland).

I assume it is just three companies who want to keep all the toys to themselves, building sandcastles that are lopsided but "look like their vision", rather than working together and building a huge sandcastle like Android but that would look like the compromise of all their design goals...

[stiiixy]

So back to the topic of Tizen
Anyone got info how will it be updated?
Will it be like linux versioning/rolling distros or a whole firmware as iOS and Android?
If you cold update at least userspace like on normal distros i will want one.
I hate when manufacturer decides to drop support and you are left with old version even when the HW is still good enough for your need.

My only concern with Tizen is it being turned in to a walled garden. Now, this concern is based only on older rumours about Samsung wanting a walled-garden away from Google's Android/Play market, thus making a 3rd garden. However, with HTML5, this brings it back to reality and I will happily use Tizen if Samsung have their Samsung Play store and also allow open package installs like Android does anyway. And it's better than Sailfish, which it probably wont be.

[highlandsun]

(btw, re: RAM more is merrier - more RAM also means more power draw. So there are limits to what's appropriate in a small mobile device.)

[pixo]

So back to the topic of Tizen
Anyone got info how will it be updated?
Will it be like linux versioning/rolling distros or a whole firmware as iOS and Android?
If you cold update at least userspace like on normal distros i will want one.
I hate when manufacturer decides to drop support and you are left with old version even when the HW is still good enough for your need.