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Originally posted by kpedersen View PostThats admirable but they should have called it "AlmostLibrem" or "Compromisem". Libre is not a brand name or a technology. They are misusing it to try to get money from us idiots and that is a little bit unethical.
Trying to be libre is honestly great. I would also buy since it is the most libre I can buy currently. However it isn't libre (yet) and should not be named as such (yet).
Its like naming an eco-Level 2 rated boiler "EcoLevel5Boiler". It is just false advertising.
If I had to use an analogy, what you're doing is like complaining that a car is being sold as an "eco" car when it's not completely emissions free even thou it's considerably better in terms of emissions than any other car on the market. Try to understand that we're not talking about a specific level here, we're talking about a general concept to which most of this device adheres to perfectly. The few bits that aren't fully compliant to said principle have had their non-compliance mitigated.Last edited by L_A_G; 26 September 2019, 06:22 PM.
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Originally posted by kpedersen View PostLibrem stands for "Libre Marginally" right? There is a lot of proprietary hardware on that thing for something that has "Libre" in the name. At >£600 it certainly isn't referring to the price either.
Getting to the point of "you can install whatever OS you want on it", is a big step. Its a welcome addition to people who want a GNU phone, i.e. the N900/N9 crowd that's been in the dark for quite a few years.
I don't see this being a viable first phone, but depending on its repairability and quality of radios, it might make a nice heirloom device used for other purposes. Especially with the proffesional crowd.
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Guest repliedOriginally posted by futuretim View Post
Full disclosure: I have a pre-order for a Librem .
I feel like the above quote is from someone that has NO IDEA what Purism has accomplished. Maybe I'm wrong about that but it's kind of ridiculous. Does it cost more compared to the generic phone with privacy-invading Android on it? Yes. Does it run an immature software stack? Yes.
But focusing on all of that is to miss the forest for the trees. Look at all of the various Android off-shoots or projects trying to essentially accomplish what Purism is doing but in the handicapped ecosystem of Android Linux (LineageOS, postmarket OS, /e/, etc.).
You are certainly entitled to your opinions and by all means vote for with your wallet. But geez, if Purism cannot get the benefit of the doubt from this community what chance does ANYONE have.
There's an amazing video from Bunnie Huang (of Novena Laptop, chumby, etc) about not satisfying open-source hardware activists because they will essentially question every step that they somehow didn't view themselves even if there is separate hardware/steps that can validate the design/functionality.
I can't find the link at the moment but when I do I'll bring it back and post it here.
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Guest repliedOriginally posted by kpedersen View Post
So it seems that we should not use the word "Libre" in a product until we actually do have a free computer.
This bizarre false marketing is weakening the meaning of the word "Libre".
Thats admirable but they should have called it "AlmostLibrem" or "Compromisem". Libre is not a brand name or a technology. They are misusing it to try to get money from us idiots and that is a little bit unethical.
Trying to be libre is honestly great. I would also buy since it is the most libre I can buy currently. However it isn't libre (yet) and should not be named as such (yet).
Its like naming an eco-Level 2 rated boiler "EcoLevel5Boiler". It is just false advertising.
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I'm cautiously optimistic about this. I've went with the first batch (at least as an option not sure where I'll be in the end) since my main concern is to develop/port some of my Sailfish apps onto it before even switching to it as main workhorse phone.
Firsts are always funky. I hope this works out for them financially and we end up getting a new niche phone/OS that stays OSS (unlike the bloody Jolla traitors!)
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Originally posted by jo-erlend View Post
Yes, there are still no public domain, patent free computers on the market, to my knowledge.
This bizarre false marketing is weakening the meaning of the word "Libre".
Originally posted by L_A_G View Post
With all the parts they've gone with it's about as "libre" as you can get for this use case and capability.
Trying to be libre is honestly great. I would also buy since it is the most libre I can buy currently. However it isn't libre (yet) and should not be named as such (yet).
Its like naming an eco-Level 2 rated boiler "EcoLevel5Boiler". It is just false advertising.Last edited by kpedersen; 26 September 2019, 10:32 AM.
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Originally posted by ZeroPointEnergy View PostI still remember when Michael wrote that they will not reach the crowd funding goal and how unrealistic this project was.
Disclaimer in case it was not obvious: I have a Librem 5 on pre-order.
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