The PlayStation 4 Does Use The FreeBSD Kernel, Mono

[Nobu]

I have no problem with GPL or code that is under one of the GPL licenses, but I find it's unfair to attack the BSD license, Sony, or any other company or individual for using BSD licensed software. It was licensed the way it is because the creators wanted it to be used the way that it is being used--same with GPL (when it isn't being abused, of course).

It's like complaining because your neighbor got a pie recipe from the internet and modified it slightly (in a way that you found appealing), gave you a piece of the pie, but wouldn't share the modified recipe. I mean, you're free to complain, but it's completely within their rights not to share it. It'd be different if it were a GPL recipe, but...

[JX8p]

Great, but it won't change its market share much. Sony has code for free and they don't even have to share their patches. It's Open Source software, but it's the worst possible kind of it. GPL projects like Linux kernel serve community and ensure community will benefit when some company finds the code useful. That's a real nature of Open Source. Btw. will you check if Moogy runs bsd as well?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sWzrmIoCac

Sony have donated to the FreeBSD Foundation and a grep of the FreeBSD source tree reveals a lot of code marked as coming from Sony Computer Entertainment. I'm sure a lot of that code is useful to the community. Financial benefit is also nice.

Not that the BSD license demanded it. The BSD licence is based on the free spirit of giving; something appropriate to mention, given that today is Christmas, after all.

[endman]

Sony have donated to the FreeBSD Foundation and a grep of the FreeBSD source tree reveals a lot of code marked as coming from Sony Computer Entertainment. I'm sure a lot of that code is useful to the community.

There's no proof to back it up. Link?

[artivision]

I have no problem with GPL or code that is under one of the GPL licenses, but I find it's unfair to attack the BSD license, Sony, or any other company or individual for using BSD licensed software. It was licensed the way it is because the creators wanted it to be used the way that it is being used--same with GPL (when it isn't being abused, of course).

It's like complaining because your neighbor got a pie recipe from the internet and modified it slightly (in a way that you found appealing), gave you a piece of the pie, but wouldn't share the modified recipe. I mean, you're free to complain, but it's completely within their rights not to share it. It'd be different if it were a GPL recipe, but...

And i find it unfair the fact that lobbyists pay to have laws in their advantage, like games that are not considered art so they aren't obligated to produce them for all platforms: ISA independent (like C11-LLVM), and OS independent (like using open libraries - OpenGL).

I also find it unfair when they do cartel deals behind the scenes so the games may only be for Windowz and Consoles. When they create inflation and slaves. Who needs a many machines that they can do the same (PC+ Console+ Smartphone+ Tablet+ SmartTV+ Blueray+ WTF), instead of one.

I thing gaming is their last fortress. When the D3D9 state tracker becomes real for Linux, and Qemu becomes efficient, they are goners. Windowz Will be crashed 2-3 years after D3D9 state tracker, And ISA computing in favor of open source computing 2-3 years after Qemu becomes efficient. And that's the two top projects that community must give their last drop of blood. If someone wants to do it for real, he has my donation.

[dimko]

It's like complaining because your neighbor got a pie recipe from the internet and modified it slightly (in a way that you found appealing), gave you a piece of the pie, but wouldn't share the modified recipe. I mean, you're free to complain, but it's completely within their rights not to share it. It'd be different if it were a GPL recipe, but...

They have right to be screwed, still I have a right to laugh at and point finger at web site that does allow it to be screwed. It hurts OTHER site, that uses GPL3 license for cookies! I am making this claim as part of community who reads GPL3 cookie site :P

[peppercats]

And i find it unfair the fact that lobbyists pay to have laws in their advantage, like games that are not considered art so they aren't obligated to produce them for all platforms: ISA independent (like C11-LLVM), and OS independent (like using open libraries - OpenGL).

I also find it unfair when they do cartel deals behind the scenes so the games may only be for Windowz and Consoles. When they create inflation and slaves. Who needs a many machines that they can do the same (PC+ Console+ Smartphone+ Tablet+ SmartTV+ Blueray+ WTF), instead of one.

I thing gaming is their last fortress. When the D3D9 state tracker becomes real for Linux, and Qemu becomes efficient, they are goners. Windowz Will be crashed 2-3 years after D3D9 state tracker, And ISA computing in favor of open source computing 2-3 years after Qemu becomes efficient. And that's the two top projects that community must give their last drop of blood. If someone wants to do it for real, he has my donation.

D3D9 is dead, fyi. No modern games will be using it anymore once XP support is dropped shortly.
According to steam's hardware survey, DX9 hardware makes up a tiny minority of their userbase too.

[Nobu]

https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd/search?p=2&q=sony.co.jp&type=Code

https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd/search?p=2&q=sony+corporation+copyright&type=Code

Those being simple searches on a rather limited search engine. If you could search commits for authors, that'd be nice (lookin' at you, github).

Can't find anything related to Sony donating to the FreeBSD foundation after a couple quick google searches.

[stevenc]

I tried to correlate Sony's list with packages available in Debian and hence probably available on SteamOS. It seems there must be quite a bit of shared code between these platforms, even if the hardware, toolchain and middleware are very different:

Available in Debian (listing names of the source packages):
opus: CELT (Opus)
cairo: cairo
curl: cURL
mono:
eglib
Mono class libraries
Mono VM
expat: Expat XML Parser
freetype: FreeType 2
giflib: giflib-4.1.2
icu: ICU
jquery: jQuery
libjpeg6b: libjpeg
libjpeg-turbo: libjpeg-turbo
libpng: libpng
libunwind [linux-any]: libunwind
libxml2: libxml2
lua5.2: Lua
openssl: OpenSSL
pixman: pixman
protobuf: Protocol Buffers
webkitgtk: Webkit
zlib: zlib

Available only on the Debian GNU/kFreeBSD port:
kfreebsd-9:
Ethernet driver
FreeBSD Kernel
mmc driver & sdhci driver
Network FreeBSD
udf2.x fs
freebsd-utils: FreeBSD's fsck/newfs commands
freebsd-libs:
libusb FreeBSD
kiconv for unicode
libcxxrt

Stuff available in FreeBSD only:
BSD libc
libm
libpthread
libusrsctp 0.9.1

Other stuff I couldn't find packaged for Debian:
base64
cJSON
Jerasure version 1.2A
libcompiler_rt
Mersenne Twister
SQLite-net
squish

[lovenemesis]

It's not their 1st time

Sony has been using FreeBSD and other open source software in their products for a very long time.

FreeBSD and various other open source libraries also powered their latest portable game console: http://www.scei.co.jp/psvita-license/

However, Linux is the kernel which powered basically all the other products, including NEX series camera and Bravia TV: http://www.sony.net/Products/Linux/common/search.html

[Sergio]

Great, but it won't change its market share much. Sony has code for free and they don't even have to share their patches. It's Open Source software, but it's the worst possible kind of it. GPL projects like Linux kernel serve community and ensure community will benefit when some company finds the code useful. That's a real nature of Open Source. Btw. will you check if Moogy runs bsd as well?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sWzrmIoCac

What do you know about "a real nature of Open Source", troll?