preinstallations and one click dual boot install
As i do think - and Linus recently said too - preinstallations are the key.
A Steam Linux console with the same AMD APU than PS4 - BSD - and Xbox - NT - will increase a lot this numbers
Also a one click dual boot install - AT STEAM - perhaps using yumi.exe and a simple script resizing the MS WOS hard disk in MS WOS and asking for a USB pendrive letting choose between Ubuntu and Manajro - Steam runs better at my Manjaro and it comes preinstalled - will make Steam users to at least have dual boot, a video showing how easy and fast it is to install Linux and, anarticle explaining that is good to have another OS if the first one fails, even 2 Linux distros if you only use Linux - as I do -
And changing the options at the Live ISOs to ask only once installed for keyboard monitor and language settings or even better detect them at MS and apply it at Linux.
And a MOTIVE to dual boot install as an exclusive DEMO or FREE chapter or MOD at any important game ONLY FOR LINUX making the gamers choose it if they want to play.
Using Manjaro or even Ubuntu a little bit will make a lot of steam users to switch at least for general computing - no virus faster experience a lot of free software conky etc - and for some games that may be faster at Linux
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Originally posted by elanthis View PostFrom experience with such a rollout.. no.
Tablets that pretend to be desktops are one of the area the market just never accepted. Users who _create_ content want multiple high-resolutions displays, keyboards, mice, and computing power far beyond what a mobile package can offer. Users who just want to _consume_ content want a highly simplified experience without all the complexities of Windows or a typical Linux distro; they want iOS or Android or something along those lines.
Don't get me wrong, I for once need Matlab, Maple, Eclipse and the like where mice and keyboards are still king but I had to acknowledge - finally - that creating content is not anymore a task of few but nearly every person does it nowadays.
Where I do agree with you is everything that goes into programming, scientific computing and the like. But most people can create the content they want via iOS/Android and others.
Webapps do add to that and will cater the needs of many, many people and only the most enthusiast (like us) will still need to have a powerful computer in their house.
So, personally I believe that even for content creators the need to own a desktop computer decreases.
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Originally posted by jarhead View PostNot much improvement over 1% for Linux, and that's how it's gonna stay until Valve REQUIRES all new titles be OS agnostic, Win/Mac/Linux installs required at launch for ALL new titles including AAA ones. Bottom line, they have to be willing to tell EA, Ubisoft, Activision, etc. to go to hell in the short term until those companies decide that the money they are losing by not having the games on Steam outweighs the cost of making their titles work on all three major OSes.
They bring a native steam client ................... maybe encouraging others to do the same (origin).
Then they start porting Valve made games............ this also encourages others using the steam network to port their games
They talk about their future linux based steam console............. this will eventually bring even more AAA games to gnu/linux gamers
They will eventually bring out a new opengl source engine 2 and tools .............Not only making it even easier for game/mod developers to create games but making any and all porting a non issue using that engine
whilst doing the above they have no intention of making any of these changes a disadvantage to their current major user base which are windows users.
Valve are in the business of making and selling others games i highly doubt they will tell others to go to hell
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Originally posted by dee. View PostThere is no "Linux the OS". Linux is a kernel. There is GNU/Linux, Android/Linux and a whole bunch of variants of thereof. And that's the greatest strength of Linux, because it runs practically everywhere and can be customized to suit any needs imaginable. There are some really crazy things running Linux - from wristwatches to 8-legged hydraulic walking robot vehicles. Some Linux OS's are succesful, some not, depends on how you define "success".
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Not much improvement over 1% for Linux, and that's how it's gonna stay until Valve REQUIRES all new titles be OS agnostic, Win/Mac/Linux installs required at launch for ALL new titles including AAA ones. Bottom line, they have to be willing to tell EA, Ubisoft, Activision, etc. to go to hell in the short term until those companies decide that the money they are losing by not having the games on Steam outweighs the cost of making their titles work on all three major OSes.
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Originally posted by elanthis View PostFrom experience with such a rollout.. no.
This is yet another variation of the 80/20 rule. Yes, 80% of it is as easy or easier than with Windows. It's that other 20% that kills you.
As for the people who are more technologically-savvy themselves, they have no problems with Linux anyway.
Take the movement to Web apps which removes the need to be picky about OS. Sure, a large percentage of all our computing time is on the Web. An over-enthusiastic estimate might even say 99%. The mistake is assuming that means that 99% of people only use the Web. While there certainly are people who only use the Web, it's more accurate to say that every individual does 99% of their work on the Web. If you assume only 1% of users need special stuff that limits them to Windows, it's easy to think Linux is ready to take over.
Sure, there are some niche things you can only do in windows, because of market conspiracies and such. However the number of such things is decreasing at an increasing rate, and not everyone has to do those kinds of things - otherwise, no one would use Linux at all.
Once you realize that every person has some small portion of things they do that require Windows, it's easy to see why Linux never has taken over outside of its niches (servers) and Linux-kernel-based custom OSes (Android) that have almost nothing in common with your beloved distro of choice.
Which would go about as well as the Surface RTs/Pros, except probably worse.
I like to (almost) joke that everything Microsoft does with Windows, Linux desktops did first. Windows 8 is largely based around a highly more polished and functional concept originated in GNOME 3. Compiz beat Vista to the punch on composited desktops. Windows service minimalism followed Linux distro's service minimalism. etc. There really is nothing that Tizen or any other Linux-based desktop OS does _better_ than Windows, they only do things _before_ Windows. Consumers will generally want the more polished and functional iterations from Microsoft assuming they want the idea at all.
Other than that, the reason people feel more comfortable on windows is largely just baby duck syndrome - it's something they're used to, so they don't want to try anything different.
Tablets that pretend to be desktops are one of the area the market just never accepted. Users who _create_ content want multiple high-resolutions displays, keyboards, mice, and computing power far beyond what a mobile package can offer. Users who just want to _consume_ content want a highly simplified experience without all the complexities of Windows or a typical Linux distro; they want iOS or Android or something along those lines.
Tizen is a product in search of a market that has never existed. So is Windows 8. So is Chromium OS. Mozilla OS. etc. The idea of one unifying OS to rule everything has not panned out. Even in the Linux world, Ubuntu or the like is not used by any real cross section of the market for anything but hobbyist desktop OSes. HPC uses specialized Linux distributions. Large-scale server farms use RHEL. Mobile devices use Android.
Chrome OS also isn't technically a bad idea. It's a perfect OS for someone whose only use for a computer is to browse the web - it's a niche product maybe, but it has its market.
There is no such thing as "Mozilla OS", only Firefox OS and I don't really know what you have against it, it's simply a phone OS for low-end phones.
Linux-the-kernel is highly successful; Linux-the-OS is a mess.
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Originally posted by BO$$Do you really take seriously an OS that doesn't have basic things like good hardware acceleration in 2013? If that is not amateurism I don't know what it is? The fact that is used by Google doesn't change anything. It could be used by jesus christ himself and it wouldn't matter. It's still a hack disguised as an OS. And Google probably customized the hell out of it in order to bring it closer to a real OS. The same with supercomputers and all other examples that you will try to bring. Windows remains at least 10 years ahead of Linux. People who choose linux don't choose it because it's better but either because they are poor or they just hate Microsoft.
After this work, Left 4 Dead 2 is running at 315 FPS on Linux. That the Linux version runs faster than the Windows version (270.6) seems a little counter-intuitive, given the greater amount of time we have spent on the Windows version. However, it does speak to the underlying efficiency of the kernel and OpenGL. Interestingly, in the process of working with hardware vendors we also sped up the OpenGL implementation on Windows. Left 4 Dead 2 is now running at 303.4 FPS with that configuration.
OpenGL versus Direct3D on Windows 7
This experience lead to the question: why does an OpenGL version of our game run faster than Direct3D on Windows 7? It appears that it’s not related to multitasking overhead. We have been doing some fairly close analysis and it comes down to a few additional microseconds overhead per batch in Direct3D which does not affect OpenGL on Windows. Now that we know the hardware is capable of more performance, we will go back and figure out how to mitigate this effect under Direct3D.
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Originally posted by Sonadow View PostNo support for CrossFire, SLI, Lucid
No support for userspace core / multiplier overclocking
No support for the standard benchmarking tools (SuperPi, Futuremark, Furmark, IOMeter, HDBurn, etc etc)
Too many cobbled-on parts to track when updating official drivers (driver depends on X version of kernel and an older version of xserver which depends Z version of some other package which, more often than not, is totally not present in the repositories) unlike OS X and Windows; install 1 x driver EXE regardless of Windows version and that's it. Look at Haswell for Windows; just 1 driver package needed vs new kernel + new Mesa + new xserver needed just for full Linux Haswell support.
...and so on and so forth.
Synthetic benchmarking tools aren't very useful for gamers, or for anything really. Best to use real applications.
As for all the stuff needed to get working, that's something I hope will get easier in the future. There really isn't an automated drive install by both Nvidia and AMD. The open source drivers are even worse to get updated and working.
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Originally posted by dee. View PostLearning to use Linux? Please, what learning does an average user need to do? Launching programs, using firefox and moving files around works just the same on an average Linux distro as it does on windows
This is yet another variation of the 80/20 rule. Yes, 80% of it is as easy or easier than with Windows. It's that other 20% that kills you.
Take the movement to Web apps which removes the need to be picky about OS. Sure, a large percentage of all our computing time is on the Web. An over-enthusiastic estimate might even say 99%. The mistake is assuming that means that 99% of people only use the Web. While there certainly are people who only use the Web, it's more accurate to say that every individual does 99% of their work on the Web. If you assume only 1% of users need special stuff that limits them to Windows, it's easy to think Linux is ready to take over. Once you realize that every person has some small portion of things they do that require Windows, it's easy to see why Linux never has taken over outside of its niches (servers) and Linux-kernel-based custom OSes (Android) that have almost nothing in common with your beloved distro of choice.
Or, Intel could bring to market ultrabooks that run Tizen OS. There was already a demo of a ultrabook running Tizen OS with modified gnome shell, running Steam. If this happens, it'll probably do considerably more to grow the Linux marketshare than Canonical ever did.
I like to (almost) joke that everything Microsoft does with Windows, Linux desktops did first. Windows 8 is largely based around a highly more polished and functional concept originated in GNOME 3. Compiz beat Vista to the punch on composited desktops. Windows service minimalism followed Linux distro's service minimalism. etc. There really is nothing that Tizen or any other Linux-based desktop OS does _better_ than Windows, they only do things _before_ Windows. Consumers will generally want the more polished and functional iterations from Microsoft assuming they want the idea at all.
Tablets that pretend to be desktops are one of the area the market just never accepted. Users who _create_ content want multiple high-resolutions displays, keyboards, mice, and computing power far beyond what a mobile package can offer. Users who just want to _consume_ content want a highly simplified experience without all the complexities of Windows or a typical Linux distro; they want iOS or Android or something along those lines.
Tizen is a product in search of a market that has never existed. So is Windows 8. So is Chromium OS. Mozilla OS. etc. The idea of one unifying OS to rule everything has not panned out. Even in the Linux world, Ubuntu or the like is not used by any real cross section of the market for anything but hobbyist desktop OSes. HPC uses specialized Linux distributions. Large-scale server farms use RHEL. Mobile devices use Android.
Linux-the-kernel is highly successful; Linux-the-OS is a mess.
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Originally posted by Gps4l View PostThank you for making my smile.
Now tell me that you were serious and I laugh even harder.
And btw never again use google, because they use an os build by kids.
This same os is used for the supercomputers.
windows > Linux only on the desktop, and only in quantity.
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