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Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View PostI play and buy games for it. It is the only platform I game on now, and I game a lot. What the hell is your definition?
But as we see not everyone shares your enthusiasm when it comes to developing a video game software to Linux.
Nowadays other platforms gets all the support from the developers, Linux barely gets something aside from indie games.
A gaming platform at least should have a customer base, not to mention marketing.
The question is more like, should Linux be a gaming platform.Last edited by Vorzard; 15 October 2012, 01:56 PM.
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Originally posted by Vorzard View PostYou are of course right, from your standpoint Linux is a gaming platform, no doubt about it.
But as we see not everyone shares your enthusiasm when it comes to developing a video game software to Linux.
Nowadays other platforms gets all the support from the developers, Linux barely gets something aside from indie games.
A gaming platform at least should have a customer base, not to mention marketing.
The question is more like, should Linux be a gaming platform.
available is plain silly. Virtually a system can be gaming platform without the need of marketing, it is the user who decides.
Gaming companies were caught using Linux for gaming development before porting it to Microsoft. The real issue is mainly publishers
and management decision.
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Originally posted by Vorzard View PostNowadays other platforms gets all the support from the developers, Linux barely gets something aside from indie games.
Originally posted by Vorzard View PostA gaming platform at least should have a customer base, not to mention marketing.Last edited by Hamish Wilson; 15 October 2012, 07:37 PM.
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Originally posted by MNKyDeth View PostLongevity of Binaries: This goal may be hard to achieve unless you have a set of sub directories dedicated to needed libs the games use. Or at least allow someone to recompile the games every 5-10yrs with the newer libs.
Originally posted by MNKyDeth View PostMulti-Arch Libappindicator: I have no idea what this is as I have never used Ubuntu.
Originally posted by MNKyDeth View PostProcess Clean-Up Actions: Umm, why would anyone have resolution restoration problems? Why are you not starting a second X Server to run your games in?
Originally posted by MNKyDeth View PostAudio Latency: This is another interesting and sore spot for me in Linux. I honestly never had audio lag until Pulseaudio came into the picture. Or I at least never noticed audio lag in my every day tasks and gaming in Linux. I have always had multichannel sound output and input as, (I know I will be scoffed at for this but), I always use creative sound cards in Linux. I used my Audigy2zs for almost 8 to 9 years because onboard audio is ass and everyone knows it. They just don't want to admit it or care about audio enough to get a proper add on card that has hardware mixing support. I have since upgraded to a Creative X-FI titanium that also has hardware mixing support when we finally got the basic drivers in Linux for the card. There are plenty of other cards out there that have support for hardware mixing so from my point of view anyone that cares about gaming and audio in Linux will have a hardware mixing sound card wether it is from creative or not.
Now, I honestly have tried my onboard audio chip, a Realtek 892 8 channel chip, on my Asus Sabertooth P67 mobo. The audio was fine but did not sound any better than what I had out of the X-Fi. With the onboard chip I needed Pulseaudio and this in turn caused a 1-6 second delay in my games audio. So obviously I went back to my X-Fi without Pulseaudio.
And when it comes to latency, JACK should give you latency of 5ms or likely less (1-2ms?), while PulseAudio should probably be able to go down to about 20ms or less. If you have multi-second latency something is wrong; either your game (or other application that wants/needs low-latency audio) is doing something wrong, or you found a bug in PulseAudio ? this is certainly not how PA is supposed to work.
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Originally posted by JanC View PostSoftware audio mixing in PulseAudio & JACK is a lot better quality than the hardware mixing in your Creative X-Fi (and hopefully the X-Fi has somewhat better quality sound than the on-board chip?but worse than a professional sound card).
And when it comes to latency, JACK should give you latency of 5ms or likely less (1-2ms?), while PulseAudio should probably be able to go down to about 20ms or less. If you have multi-second latency something is wrong; either your game (or other application that wants/needs low-latency audio) is doing something wrong, or you found a bug in PulseAudio ? this is certainly not how PA is supposed to work.
All I can say is try Unreal Tournament, or any of the Loki games for instance. You will see what I mean. There is a delay that you cannot fix no matter how much you play with the Pulse audio settings. But, as soon as you get rid of pulse audio, output has no delay.
I have tested the above with Rune, UT, and a few other old Loki games I have lying around. I used three different cards, the X-Fi, Audigy2zs and the onboard realtek 892 chip.
I tried with my different settings and tweaks from around the net to no avail. The solution was always to get rid of pulseaudio and run straight Alsa with oss emulation. As I recall Pulse is supposed to take alsa, oss, and any sound from a different sound server, jack, esd, etc, and route it through itself then it outputs audio.
Come to think of it, I can't say that many of the games I own, actually use alsa in Linux. Some do but most still output to oss still. I can say games that do use alsa instead of oss tend to run more in sync with the audio but anything that uses oss has a severe delay.
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TF2 is coming!
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Yes, of course Linux can become a great gaming platform. The kernel is fast, it's all about the applications API's provided on top.
Audio Support - Yes, PulseAudio sucks. It did back then and it still does. Improvements need to be made to make sure PulseAudio becomes lower latency and doesn't glitch out and miss streams. RedHat needs to work more on that, but if Ubuntu has got to fork ... well so be it then.
Longevity of Binaries - Stop releasing major kernel revisions so often, stop updating to major new versions of X.org so often. Stop releasing new, half-assed, poorly tested releases every 6 months. One release a year, with every 2nd being LTS. Update applications to major new versions, but do not update important stuff like X.org, systemd, pulseaudio, the Linux kernel, etc. Only update security patches.
Graphics drivers - Don't ship broken graphics drivers. I mean really... Replacing X.org will help, but I actually think the biggest part of the problem is Unity.
Input devices - Give us the ability to remove mouse acceleration - easy, simple, fast. Hardcore gamers will flock to the platform because it's a killer feature. Better driver support is of course a must but actually... Linux is pretty good here already.
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Originally posted by Ishayu View PostInput devices - Give us the ability to remove mouse acceleration - easy, simple, fast. Hardcore gamers will flock to the platform because it's a killer feature.Code:xset m 1 1
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