Valve's Gabe Newell Really Hates Windows 8

[artivision]

Just out of curiosity isn't it possible to have some type of sandbox with linux for running apps you don't "trust"?? ie make it impossible for these apps to harm the kernel.

Root, SElinux, AppArmor, all of them have Wine and Kernel restrictions. qemu wine is possible.

[AJSB]

What you are saying about Valve would then apply also to EA's Origin , BIS Store and a bunch of many other similar online services (granted,, they don't offer the same level of service than Steam).

In the end , US and EU regulations would NEVER allow M$ pull a stunt like that just like they forced M$ to make Internet Explorer removable . period.

As for competition of M$ Store vs Steam, well, at least in the games field, M$ already had a major failure with "Games for Windows (Live)"

[Kano]

@89c51

I am pretty sure you can study lots of things without needing autocad, solidworks or photoshop. Btw. for 3d modelling you can use Maya which runs on Linux (and was working 1998 or so on IRIX). If you can not live without photoshop you should try wine. google paid lots of money to support it.

http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?appId=17

[johnc]

In the end , US and EU regulations would NEVER allow M$ pull a stunt like that just like they forced M$ to make Internet Explorer removable . period.

How did that work out for Netscape?

[AJSB]

How did that work out for Netscape?

Too late for Netscape but it worked just fine for Firefox (and Opera), thank you

[TobiSGD]

NT is still a shitty single user kernel.

Huh? What the hell is a single user kernel? NT is clearly a multi-user system, with several different system users running at the same time.

People always run as administrators and disable UAC cause it's annoying.

No, they do it because they don't know what they are doing.

Linux makes it actively hard to stay root all the time (talking ubuntu here).

Ubuntu is not all Linux. Yes, there are some distros that make it actively harder to run as root all the time, but none of them makes it impossible. It is in fact very easy to circumvent such restrictions and many users that come from Windows actually want to do that, because they don't know what they are doing.
Distros that assume that the user knows what he is doing don't have such restrictions at all, it is no problem to run Arch, Slackware or Gentoo as root all the time. This is not something that is magically different on Linux. The first thing that makes your system secure or insecure is the user, not the OS.

So NT is still shit. What is that argument that it has all these nice features but they are disabled? They're userbase is still in the 90's mindset with administrator account and windows is forced to follow the stupid users.

So now you are changing from "NT is shit" to "NT's users are shit". Why is a kernel shit because it is used by dumb users? If I run Linux as root all the time does that make Linux shit?

This is still Microsoft's mistake for making them think that running as admin is the way to go. Nothing can save them from their shitty decisions. Luckily they posted their first loss this quarter. Goodbye and good riddance of Microsoft cancer!

This kind of behavior is burned into the minds of the people and you will have a very hard time to change that. Let's see what happens if your wish is fulfilled, Microsoft dies and all these uninformed users come to Linux. I would like to see you giving support to these people and explaining why running the system as root is a bad idea.

In short: The Windows security model is not bad per se, in fact it is pretty good. What is bad is the users that don't want to give up some convenience for having a secure system. But that is not the fault of the kernel.

[jhansonxi]

Autocad is an example. Solidworks is another. There are alternatives of course but when something is considered an "industry standard" people want it even if they don't "need" it and are directed to it. Another example is Photoshop. If you are a graphic designer and ask for a job i a company they will probably ask for photoshop illustrator etc no matter if you are a gimp or inkscape wizard.

I use DraftSight instead of AutoCAD. It's free, cross-platform, and based on Intellicad and so is highly compatible with AutoCAD. It's developed by Dassault Systems who is the developer of SolidWorks (and Catia). As a bonus it's faster than AutoCAD and doesn't have that stupid ribbon interface that Autodesk licensed from M$.

[maldorordiscord]

In the end , US and EU regulations would NEVER allow M$ pull a stunt like that just like they forced M$ to make Internet Explorer removable . period.

That is what i say without any antitrust law valve would be death instantly.
Now we talk about a "Kindergarten" Valve can be stay alive in the sand box at the "Kindergarten"
On the other side a windows app-store is a full attack with there monopole power against the steam app-store.
But sure maybe the US and EU regulations protect valve in the "Kindergarten".

As for competition of M$ Store vs Steam, well, at least in the games field, M$ already had a major failure with "Games for Windows (Live)"

Windows live is not the same than the windows8 app-store as a necessarily bundle with the OS.
But sure maybe the US and EU regulations protect valve in the "Kindergarten".

What you are saying about Valve would then apply also to EA's Origin , BIS Store and a bunch of many other similar online services (granted,, they don't offer the same level of service than Steam).

I never bought any steam-only or EA-orgin-only or similar DRM-system-only game.
They all offer the same level of DRM/Copy-protection anti-service.

The Valve-Linux investment if just the effort to escape the Microsoft-trap or in other words its the effort to escape the sand-box in the kindergarten.
This can only be successful with windows incompatible hardware because the hardware company's like Intel and AMD do a cross-platform-subsidization beneficial to Microsoft with a rate of 95% for every hardware you buy.

This means Valve can only be successful if they drop the "x86" platform this means they need to be a hardware company like apple sell "iphones"

My advice to Gabe is: Build a "console" based on "windows-incompatible" hardware for example MIPS systems like "Loongson" and then beat consoles like xbox and the Windows-PC in a single round.

If they stay inside of the x86 windows hardware platform they will lose and this is 100% for sure.

[maldorordiscord]

Too late for Netscape but it worked just fine for Firefox (and Opera), thank you

No this do not work for firefox and opera because microsoft earn money in a direct way for the IE and they earn money on ads but firefox and opera only do have a market share with that antitrust kindergarten because they give away the software for FREE and they only earn money on ads.

Microsoft won this battle again! because they earn money on selling IE with windows and they earn money on "ads" and they do have the biggest market share.

[DeepDayze]

Its not just games that's holding Linux back, its the commercial applications as well as the likes of Quicken and QuickBooks. If the makers of major market applications can be convinced they can make money selling apps that run natively on Linux then they'd undertake the effort of porting them

I'm going out on a limb to also say that convincing Adobe the value of porting Photoshop and Premiere and Acrobat Pro to Linux as well, considering many companies depend on these applications