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Originally posted by rbmorse View PostA better question would be what demand they are expecting from Linux users who would actually pay money for software and services.
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Originally posted by rbmorse View PostA better question would be what demand they are expecting from Linux users who would actually pay money for software and services.
And I have 152 games in my steam games list.
For most users using ubuntu, the games on steam vs the OSS games in the repository represents an unfair advantage in favour of steam for the most part; because that's where the money is. The equasion is also pretty simple: money = better games.
I'm sure there will be plenty of paying users from the Linux camp.
Even if Linux only accounts for 2%~ish of the desktop market. I'm sure that 1 year after steam come to linux, that 2% might look more like 4-5%.
I find it quite genius that Valve is coming to linux even if it ends up costing them a lot in the short run. Getting a great big foothold before mass adoption is sure to win them the market when it develops. And I was ridiculed not too long ago for suggesting that Steam might make it's way to Linux fairly soon :P I WIN!
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Originally posted by [Knuckles] View PostBtw, @Zhick, you say that Heroes of Newerth is working with r300g? When did that happen? Last time I tried it crashed after hitting 100% of the game loading screen.
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I agree with BlueKoala. I use Linux and I don't pirate software. While I support the F/OSS ideals, I am also pragmatic. Honestly, if GNU/Linux cost money and Windows was free, I would pay for former, simply because I feel it provides a nicer computing experience and fits my needs better. I also have spent roughly $1000 dollars on steam games over the past years and I would love to play them (or at least a subset of them) on Linux.
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Originally posted by barbarbaron View PostTell this to amd/ati guys. They are the obstacle between us linux users and an active linux gaming.
sure, from current reports i would imagine evergreen hardware might have some issues - but r600/700 hardware should have no problem with the games....
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Originally posted by energyman View PostEXACTLY. And all they get is bitching.
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and if you think fglrxy sucks, you are free to help to make the OSS driver perfect. So people have no reason to bitch around.
If ATI wants to compete on my money (And I'm not talking about one workstation a year...), they can and -should- do better. I find it unacceptable that their binary driver has yet to support Xorg 7.4 (F12) when 7.5 is out (F13 in ~2 weeks) and 7.6 is on its way.
Of-course, they could choose to drop their binary driver, and like Intel (Minus Poulsbo [sp?]), go fully OSS driver.
Make no mistake - I respect ATI/AMD's decision to release the complete documentation and help the development of the OSS driver. Trust me when I say that if the R800 drivers were to give ~50% of the performance of their Windows counterparts, I wouldn't have been sitting on the pre-order list for GTX 470's...
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Originally posted by MaestroMaus View PostThe sheer amount of people that are willing to trade in opensource drivers for binary drivers here is staggering. It is also totally unrespectfull to the ATI devs who are sticking their necks out for us.
Did you guys ever concider using Windows? It seems you don't care about opensource anyway.
You see, it's not just drivers people are making the trade-in with. Once you make one exception to run a closed source program, what's the difference if you run additional closed binaries? (You've already excommunicated yourself from the pure, open source only, absolutists.)
There are plenty of good reasons to use Linux over Windows. Gaming isn't one of them, but people would like that to change because there are such good reasons to use Linux over Windows. Having source is one of the many good reasons for using Linux. While it's a darned good reason, it's not the only reason. Now this may be offensive to some, but it's true. More people use Firefox because it is a decent browser than because it is open source.
If it upsets you that someone would choose quality over source availability, too bad. Not everyone is an uncompromising absolutist.
Also, not everyone who chooses to run a closed binary (be it a game, driver, or even Adobe's Flash plug-in) is a freedom hating bastard. Many that choose such a compromise would prefer not to and are supportive, enthusiastic, contributors to open source projects. It's not that they don't care about open source. It's that they don't care about it with an exclusive all or nothing attitude.
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Basically I think steam on Linux would attract more gamers to pay for games they could play on their favorite plattform.
But i do not understand what that client has to do with grafic drivers. Does it feel better to play a game with slower fps/less effects on pure FOSS drivers? Usually in world of benchmarks driver developers try to tune everything to increase speed to have more fps than the competitor as people usually pay money more for highest speed. Just in the Linux world some people self restrict their decisions by open source/documentation announcements, while it is absolutely sure that parts of the chip will not be unveiled like the uvd parts and will never be feature complete.
And those ppl will most likely complain then that the games would run too slow compared to what their are used to - all because of idealogy. What's good about that?
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