Originally posted by deanjo
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I'm also wondering why we are so worried about the difference between DRM and copy protection. The topic is Steam. They use DRM, and a part of it is prevention of unauthorized use. This is very mild stuff, and does not mess with your system. Other parts:
- game store
- download service
- online services
- anti cheat software
All this is "DRM". It enables you to install Steam on any Windows/OSX PC, log in, download all your games, and start playing.
You can always put your games in offline mode. Then they can't touch you. Online services are never in your control, so I don't see how using "DRM" makes it worse.
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Originally posted by Remco View PostYou can always put your games in offline mode. Then they can't touch you.
Originally posted by Remco View PostOnline services are never in your control, so I don't see how using "DRM" makes it worse.
The question I like to ask myself is: "will I be able to play this game in 10 years?". I still enjoy Diablo 2 (and it's mods), which is almost 10 years old.
With steam, there's no guarantee that I'll be able to reinstall the games I payed for at a later point in time.
Steam does restriction the options, reliability and rights you have as a customer. Whether that's acceptable or not is another discussion, but claiming that you keep full control is just plain wrong.
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Originally posted by rohcQaH View Postunless it's one of those games that cannot be played in offline mode for whatever reason.
unless you wish to reinstall the game at a later point or try to upgrade your system. Then you'll need the online service (i.e. valve's mercy) again.
The question I like to ask myself is: "will I be able to play this game in 10 years?". I still enjoy Diablo 2 (and it's mods), which is almost 10 years old.
With steam, there's no guarantee that I'll be able to reinstall the games I payed for at a later point in time.
Steam does restriction the options, reliability and rights you have as a customer. Whether that's acceptable or not is another discussion, but claiming that you keep full control is just plain wrong.
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Originally posted by rohcQaH View PostThe question I like to ask myself is: "will I be able to play this game in 10 years?". I still enjoy Diablo 2 (and it's mods), which is almost 10 years old.
With steam, there's no guarantee that I'll be able to reinstall the games I payed for at a later point in time.
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Originally posted by mirv View PostJust to clear up - steam doesn't randomly remove things, but it has the ability to remove things, lock accounts (preventing access to all games), that sort of thing, if valve deem your actions illegal or causing a nuisance to others.
I think that's a little too much power for valve; they may dress it up nicely, but they have more control over your content than most other DRM schemes.
People complaining about Valve is mostly scare tactics. Virtually everything you use claims the right to revoke your services at their discretion even if they never enforce anything. It's just to cover their asses on the backend so they don't get sued.
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My kid brother's account got hacked into not long ago and now the account is locked. He's rather pissed since the $200 or so he has spend in games is basically lost. He does have some backups of his favorite games, but he can't play them due to not being able to access his account. Not like I didn't warn the kid, but what can you do. I already called the costumer service line twice and did not get anywhere. Yes, it's not a common occurrence, but shit happens.
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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack View PostWow you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about do you? You keep trying to split hairs to sound like an expert on the matter, but you can't split hairs on a bald head.
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Originally posted by Melcar View PostMy kid brother's account got hacked into not long ago and now the account is locked. He's rather pissed since the $200 or so he has spend in games is basically lost. He does have some backups of his favorite games, but he can't play them due to not being able to access his account. Not like I didn't warn the kid, but what can you do. I already called the costumer service line twice and did not get anywhere. Yes, it's not a common occurrence, but shit happens.
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