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Originally posted by Remco View PostFrom April 1 forward, you won't.
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Originally posted by Dragonlord View PostWhy so? If it's a firmware update the solution is quite simply blocking it. Has been done with the Wii and PSP. Furthermore some mod-chips bypass the systems in a way that a firmware update won't help. And one a console is hacked running Linux on it doable.
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Originally posted by Remco View PostOf course, I'm not saying that it isn't technically possible to run Linux on a lot of consoles. But the one console where it was officially supported, will soon not offer the option to boot into the "other OS" anymore. If consoles are PCs, they are severely crippled PCs.
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Originally posted by Dragonlord View PostSorry if you can't follow my "login" since I use "logic" :P . Anyways if your definition would be true than the Macintosh would be no computer nor would early computers like the Atari be one. Now please take first a look at the specs of current generation consoles and then come back honestly claiming they are not similar to an everyday computer. You can even run Linux on various consoles. And yes handhelds have become more and more computers too. Important for the definition of a computer is what is inside and how it works not the "login" of some Mr. Gilboa.
If you're going to be pedantic about it you'd better start referring to your fridge, and your stove, and your microwave, and your car all as PCs, since they have computers in them.
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You can run Linux on it which is actually full OS. I consider this very "personal". Besides consoles aim more and more to be multi-purpose like the PS3 playing not only games but also movies and other stuff. If you would be pedantic then a Windows PC would not be a PC because you can not use whatever soft you want (as some is given by M$). In that logic only Un*x would be really a PC.
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Originally posted by Dragonlord View PostYou can run Linux on it which is actually full OS. I consider this very "personal". Besides consoles aim more and more to be multi-purpose like the PS3 playing not only games but also movies and other stuff. If you would be pedantic then a Windows PC would not be a PC because you can not use whatever soft you want (as some is given by M$). In that logic only Un*x would be really a PC.
The hardware of a console is dedicated these days to games and multimedia. While the line between console and PC is getting a little blurry, there are some pretty distinct differences. If I'm not mistaken, consoles don't support virtual memory - although I'm unsure if that's purely a firmware decision or if some of the helping hardware is also cut out.
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Originally posted by Dragonlord View PostYou can run Linux on it which is actually full OS. I consider this very "personal". Besides consoles aim more and more to be multi-purpose like the PS3 playing not only games but also movies and other stuff. If you would be pedantic then a Windows PC would not be a PC because you can not use whatever soft you want (as some is given by M$). In that logic only Un*x would be really a PC.
Machines like a console don't let you do that. Its a closed machine designed for a very specific use case. Playing games, or in some cases games and movies. Its nowhere near as general purpose as a desktop computer is.
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Originally posted by admax88 View PostIts nowhere near as general purpose as a desktop computer is.
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Originally posted by Dragonlord View PostSorry if you can't follow my "login" since I use "logic" :P . Anyways if your definition would be true than the Macintosh would be no computer nor would early computers like the Atari be one. Now please take first a look at the specs of current generation consoles and then come back honestly claiming they are not similar to an everyday computer. You can even run Linux on various consoles. And yes handhelds have become more and more computers too. Important for the definition of a computer is what is inside and how it works not the "login" of some Mr. Gilboa.
Never the less, as you're sticking to a very narrow definition of PC (and hopefully, you truly believe in this somewhat flawed definition and you're not simply arguing for the sake of the argument as your argument revolves around semantics and nothing else), please let me rephrase myself:
Gaming on user-built / configured / customized / installed - general purpose computers with a general purpose operating system is slowly dying, with most of the games and user-base slowly (?) shifting to gaming-optimized platforms (AKA consoles) as well as mobile platforms (cellphones).
... Or are you trying to argue otherwise?
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