Cairo Proposed To Become Part Of ISO C++

[LightBit]

you don't seem to understand. nobody is interested in your definition of modern oses or genericity
"Subsystem for UNIX-based Applications" is meant not for developing windows apps, but for compiling unix apps on windows. you can use same argument for adopting win32 into c++ standard due to existence of wine.
it does not support whole posix, it is not supported on every windows flavour and not every non-unix os is windows

My point is "all" (modern: not DOS) OSes support features required for POSIX.
Win32 API changes every Windows release (yes, it is mostly backward compatible) and documentation is poor. Not to mention it is ugly.

[pal666]

The API can't use anything, as it's just an interface. You can make it interface any complying implementation you want, and this can use or not hardware acceleration, it's up to the one who implements it.

how does it contradict anything i said, considering we were talking about user of api, not implementor ?

[pal666]

Off the top of my head: Qt, opencv, VTK, ITK, SFML, nall, OpenSceneGraph, Ogre3d, Coin3d.

All of them written in standards-compliant C++98/11.

portable means portable to every platform with c++ compiler, not just some flavours of win/linux/mac
modern means c++11, not c++98
i'm not going to check every one of them, but considering you called qt clean, it is obvious that your bar is pretty low
btw these 3 features are conflicting with each other, so why did you even try to answer

The C# ISO spec does not cover UIs. Educate yourself.

but its standard library does. as will be c++'s. it seems that no amount of education is going to help in your case.

java.awt should serve as a warning on why you should not add a UI to the C++ standard.

you seem to be bitten by java in childhood. first, cairo is not ui, second, if you don't like dome java lib it does not mean that c++ lib in same domain will be bad.

[pal666]

posix is quite generic now.
Most modern OSes are unix, except Windows which is "poorly reinvented unix".
You can install "Subsystem for UNIX-based Applications" on Windows, which means Windows has all unix functions. It only has different api.

you don't seem to understand. nobody is interested in your definition of modern oses or genericity
"Subsystem for UNIX-based Applications" is meant not for developing windows apps, but for compiling unix apps on windows. you can use same argument for adopting win32 into c++ standard due to existence of wine.
it does not support whole posix, it is not supported on every windows flavour and not every non-unix os is windows

[mrugiero]

you are just plain stupid. i didn't say that. i said that ppl smarter than you want to use accel when it is available. it means using api which can use accel when it is available.

The API can't use anything, as it's just an interface. You can make it interface any complying implementation you want, and this can use or not hardware acceleration, it's up to the one who implements it.

[pal666]

Dou you really think every fucking webserver (see, I can swear, too) out there has access to a GPU?

you are just plain stupid. i didn't say that. i said that ppl smarter than you want to use accel when it is available. it means using api which can use accel when it is available.

[LightBit]

You mean "poorly reinvented VMS"

Yes and VMS was poorly reinvented UNIX.

[s_j_newbury]

posix is quite generic now.
Most modern OSes are unix, except Windows which is "poorly reinvented unix".

You mean "poorly reinvented VMS" from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT :

"Microsoft hired a group of developers from Digital Equipment Corporation led by Dave Cutler to build Windows NT, and many elements of the design reflect earlier DEC experience with Cutler's VMS[17] and RSX-11. The operating system was designed to run on multiple instruction set architectures and multiple hardware platforms within each architecture. The platform dependencies are largely hidden from the rest of the system by a kernel mode module called the HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer)."

[BlackStar]

Did this pal guy just make ten one-line posts on top of each other? Wow, someone must have hit a nerve.

you can't teach some random library as part of c++ course. how many portable clean modern c++ libraries do you know ?

Off the top of my head: Qt, opencv, VTK, ITK, SFML, nall, OpenSceneGraph, Ogre3d, Coin3d.

All of them written in standards-compliant C++98/11.

you live in an alternate universe without java and c#, period

The C# ISO spec does not cover UIs. Educate yourself.

java.awt should serve as a warning on why you should not add a UI to the C++ standard.

[LightBit]

iso is not ieee
posix is standard for unix, not for generic operating system
c++ does not care who controls what, it is intended to be used by everyone

posix is quite generic now.
Most modern OSes are unix, except Windows which is "poorly reinvented unix".
You can install "Subsystem for UNIX-based Applications" on Windows, which means Windows has all unix functions. It only has different api.