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Originally posted by duby229 View Postit wasnt an analogy. racism is not a freedom, it's a prejudice.
How hard is it to understand that not everyone can be free to do "whatever they want"? As soon as there's the first conflict of interest, either party of the conflict will have to give up on their freedom. This applies to practically all freedoms. This is why all freedoms come with limitations.
The GPL provides freedom by limiting the freedom to take away freedom. That's why it's called free software.
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Originally posted by dee. View PostAnd you can only be free of racism by limiting other people's freedom to be racist towards you.
How hard is it to understand that not everyone can be free to do "whatever they want"? As soon as there's the first conflict of interest, either party of the conflict will have to give up on their freedom. This applies to practically all freedoms. This is why all freedoms come with limitations.
The GPL provides freedom by limiting the freedom to take away freedom. That's why it's called free software.
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Originally posted by peppercats View Postmy right to freedom of speech does not end where your feelings begin
Laws do in fact exist to protect people from racism. Protection from racism is covered by legislation and case law. That's part of the freedom that we americans have.Last edited by duby229; 24 August 2013, 05:16 PM.
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Originally posted by duby229 View Postnobody has the freedom to be racist. that's not a freedom.
How many times do I have to spell it out for you? Freedom doesn't come with built-in morality. If it did, it wouldn't be freedom, it would be enforced morality. Hell, I think I've said this exact sentence to you once already and you still don't seem to get it.
Not to mention that some people, in some situations, in fact do have the freedom to be racist. Many people are allowed to say very racist opinions without anyone stopping them or punishing them in any way. They are free to express racist opinions, because they're not doing it in a way that is considered illegal by the local law - or they may be living in a jurisdiction where there are no laws against racist speech.
Freedom doesn't mean just "freedom to do nice things", and freedom isn't some disney-cartoon lawful-good concept that's always inherently a good thing. For example, we sometimes have to restrain mentally ill people to keep them from hurting themselves or others. We're restricting their freedom in a very concrete and immediate way, but it's often better than the alternative. Same with violent criminals, psychopaths, rapists and the like - we restrict their freedom also.
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Originally posted by dee. View PostSo, freedom to do "things duby229 agrees with" counts as freedom, and freedom to do "things duby229 disagrees with" doesn't count as freedom. Gotcha.
How many times do I have to spell it out for you? Freedom doesn't come with built-in morality. If it did, it wouldn't be freedom, it would be enforced morality. Hell, I think I've said this exact sentence to you once already and you still don't seem to get it.
Not to mention that some people, in some situations, in fact do have the freedom to be racist. Many people are allowed to say very racist opinions without anyone stopping them or punishing them in any way. They are free to express racist opinions, because they're not doing it in a way that is considered illegal by the local law - or they may be living in a jurisdiction where there are no laws against racist speech.
Freedom doesn't mean just "freedom to do nice things", and freedom isn't some disney-cartoon lawful-good concept that's always inherently a good thing. For example, we sometimes have to restrain mentally ill people to keep them from hurting themselves or others. We're restricting their freedom in a very concrete and immediate way, but it's often better than the alternative. Same with violent criminals, psychopaths, rapists and the like - we restrict their freedom also.Last edited by duby229; 24 August 2013, 05:35 PM.
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