I wonder if there will ever be something posted on systemd that won't be cluttered by ad-hominem and slippery-slope arguments.
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Originally posted by Micket View PostI wonder if there will ever be something posted on systemd that won't be cluttered by ad-hominem and slippery-slope arguments.
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Originally posted by Micket View PostI wonder if there will ever be something posted on systemd that won't be cluttered by ad-hominem and slippery-slope arguments.
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Originally posted by prodigy_ View PostThat's mostly just because of LP's personality. Linus has charisma, RMS has presence of mind, LP has neither. Nor does he have enough common sense to keep away from drama. I dislike him myself but, unlike many others, he does more coding than talking. Need to give him some credit for that.
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Originally posted by prodigy_ View PostThat's mostly just because of LP's personality. Linus has charisma, RMS has presence of mind, LP has neither. Nor does he have enough common sense to keep away from drama. I dislike him myself but, unlike many others, he does more coding than talking. Need to give him some credit for that.
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Wow, this was unexpected. Whats the deal with all you people defending systemd? I don't get it? It breaks compatibility by requiring all new scripts to be written, most of which don't exist yet. Thet increase the complexity of the scripts considerably. They change syntax for no other reason than to change it....
And all of this is somehow considered a good thing?
It's less compatible.
It more complex.
It does waaaaaayyyy more than service management.
It doesnt do service management very well.
It -IS- buggy.
It does -NOT- eliminate scripting, it simply replaces it with a more complex higher level language that is less suited to the job.
Since when exactly did shell scripting become a bad thing? You take one of the most powerful and standardized features of linux and try to use it as an arguement... Theres something seriously screwed up about that.
"The simplest way to accomplish something is the best way"Last edited by duby229; 08 March 2013, 03:38 PM.
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systemd supports init scripts, so you don't *need* to write new scripts.
I don't see why the opposite (an init script which reads systemd units and acts based on their content) can't be true. ;p
Of course, it'd probably be really complicated, and you'd be better off writing a binary for your own OS which parses systemd units. To each his own, I guess. But since Linux OSs are the only ones which are using systemd (and not all of them are), and other init systems are so much better, you shouldn't have any trouble finding scripts for your OS. And if you do, since they're so easy to write, you can just make one on the fly, right?
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Originally posted by duby229 View PostWow, this was unexpected. Whats the deal with all you people defending systemd? I don't get it? It breaks compatibility by requiring all new scripts to be written, most of which don't exist yet. Thet increase the complexity of the scripts considerably. They change syntax for no other reason than to change it....
"Breaks compatibility" ? It can run rc scripts just fine, you just dont get the bonuses of systemd. "They have to be written" So what? Unit files are like 10 lines of code. "They change syntax for no other reason than to change it" No they dont. They add in syntax to unit files but they dont CHANGE the syntax. Backwards compatibility exists.
And all of this is somehow considered a good thing?
It's less compatible.
It more complex.
It does waaaaaayyyy more than service management.
It doesnt do service management very well.
It -IS- buggy.
It does -NOT- eliminate scripting, it simply replaces it with a more complex higher level language that is less suited to the job.
Since when exactly did shell scripting become a bad thing?
"The simplest way to accomplish something is the best way"All opinions are my own not those of my employer if you know who they are.
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