Linux Foundation Struggles With Microsoft UEFI Signing

[Sonadow]

Since you know the easy way to handle that:
- What do you do if the option is not available?
- What do you do if you want to dual boot with windows and windows only boots if that option is enabled?

And not everyone that switches from windows to linux in the future is going to buy new hardware to be able to turn it off...

Then put your money where your mouth is and put down the cold, hard cash to purchase a Linux notebook from the likes of ZaReason or System76.

You want 'freedom' but are not willing to pay the price.

[droste]

All i see are a bunch of numbskulls whining about how it is so difficult to enter the boot menu and turn Secure Boot OFF.

Since you know the easy way to handle that:
- What do you do if the option is not available?
- What do you do if you want to dual boot with windows and windows only boots if that option is enabled?

And not everyone that switches from windows to linux in the future is going to buy new hardware to be able to turn it off...

[Sonadow]

All i see are a bunch of numbskulls whining about how it is so difficult to enter the boot menu and turn Secure Boot OFF.

And expecting their 'freedom' to be served to them on a sliver platter.

Put your money where your mouth is and buy ZaReason/System76 if you really give a damn about hardware freedom.

If not, STFU.

[ElderSnake]

Like the manufacturers care for linux and its only Microsoft that fucks up the whole thing. If something cannot be solved in the kernel you are fucked when it comes to HW.

It doesn't help when M$ come in and pay off the manufacturers to only support and advertise Windows compatibility though.

[89c51]

These morons have been trying to find ways to stop GNU/Linux working on PCs since mid-late '90s.

Like the manufacturers care for linux and its only Microsoft that fucks up the whole thing. If something cannot be solved in the kernel you are fucked when it comes to HW.

[ElderSnake]

I am rather interested in these mails. Can you provide a link please?

Hey BO$$, its all pretty scattered info when you google about "Comes vs Microsoft", but this blog entry: http://meandubuntu.wordpress.com/ms-and-floss/

has a fantastic compilation of the emails and various quotes by M$. It also has the links to the PDF after each entry, giving you a full look at the email threads. It's a fascinating read if you download them, I assure you. And you will see why I have such hatred for Microshaft.

[ElderSnake]

Piss off Microsoft you dirt bags, we don't need you to decide what can and can't boot our hardware

The Silverlight based uploader really tipped me over the edge. Take 'em to court.

For those who haven't already seen it, look up the secret emails between Gates and other Microsoft employees that were released in the "Comes vs Microsoft" case.

These morons have been trying to find ways to stop GNU/Linux working on PCs since mid-late '90s.

EDIT: Here's a nice little example https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-a...9449736040.png

Also feel free to sign this FSF petition http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-...boot/statement

[moilami]

personally I see this as nothing to worry about. Considering how poorly Windows 8 is doing and the fact that implementing this UEFI seems to be a pain in the ass for hardware vendors, i don't think this will last. I'm sure most hardware manufacturers will just say "screw it, this isn't worth the effort and customer complaints".

I'm sure that most people who buy a system with Windows 8 on it and intend to replace it with another OS will not be putting linux on it but probably android.

About 10 years ago I, for the sake of fun, thought how MS is going to stop GNU/Linux.

I am very sure I did not found so elegent solution: Fill markets with computers which can't run GNU/Linux. If someone would had said that to me, I would maybe had thought that he is an idiot. It is so simple, elegant, and unimaginable 10 years ago because of many reasons.

Now I think ANYTHING is possible by big corporations.

[a user]

Microsoft up to its old tricks again.... This is why I fucking hate them. They are evil and they enjoy fucking others up. Like, just for pleasure, not always for money. I wonder what the engineers think of the management there.

wow. i finally have something i totally agree with you!

this makes me happy (no irony!).

[a user]

Same here. I mean, Silverlight is pretty much discontinued, why require it to update the UEFI?

it'S typical microsoft. stupid short sighted descisions and designs. and all done to make the life of all toher more difficult.