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Originally posted by kaszak View PostIt's called 'vendor lock-in'. Merging these two projects is basically telling the community 'Use our lennartware or f**k you!'. Red Hat is a corporation, it's only natural for them to shiv competition by any means necessary, even if it's simply stupid thing to do in open source.
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The only sad part I can see is how people talks about how only the *masked* version of udev is without support for *unmounted* /usr. That only clearly shows how little those people tend to use their MTP-devices and or udisks wth LVM/MDRAID and or alike.... I know I had troubles with udev not handling separate /usr since long before that page was written, and too bad it was written by lennard over at the systemd-freedesktop-page, because that only make the we-hate-lennart-camp mis the point of this whole trouble:
udev has been broken with a *unmounted* /usr for many years. And noone has had the time/will to fix it. And this was long before systemd even existed.
Now, I do not say that it is a bad thing this fork, because there are *many* other things to be desired from udev, which systemd does not seem interested in (that is why Linus really called the crazy).
So Richard, Good luck! And maybe someday we have something that we even can have a such a minimalistic version of that it even fits genkernel without bloating, because I really would like killing a lot of our code (staring at dolvm/domdraid) in favor of having something handling on demand, something last time I checked mdev did not.
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Originally posted by Xake View PostThe only sad part I can see is how people talks about how only the *masked* version of udev is without support for *unmounted* /usr. That only clearly shows how little those people tend to use their MTP-devices and or udisks wth LVM/MDRAID and or alike.... I know I had troubles with udev not handling separate /usr since long before that page was written, and too bad it was written by lennard over at the systemd-freedesktop-page, because that only make the we-hate-lennart-camp mis the point of this whole trouble:
udev has been broken with a *unmounted* /usr for many years. And noone has had the time/will to fix it. And this was long before systemd even existed.
Now, I do not say that it is a bad thing this fork, because there are *many* other things to be desired from udev, which systemd does not seem interested in (that is why Linus really called the crazy).
So Richard, Good luck! And maybe someday we have something that we even can have a such a minimalistic version of that it even fits genkernel without bloating, because I really would like killing a lot of our code (staring at dolvm/domdraid) in favor of having something handling on demand, something last time I checked mdev did not.
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Originally posted by funkSTAR View PostSorry but the neckbeard crowd already picked this up and we will see it repeated a million times.
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Originally posted by 89c51 View PostSadly the neckbeard crowd didn't pick up all the positive comments made by many top end hackers about systemd. There was even a comment by gkh describing people that want systemd to disappear as "sad people". (Gkh is probably too polite and nice to use something like blatant idiots).
Greg stopped.
Kay is willing on the terms it goes to systemd.
The Gentoo crowd can only do forks which is so much easier because they can merge from systemd.
I guess that is too complicated to understand when your neckbeard is growing so large it stops blood coming to your head. It is so sad to see clear evidence of lack of manpower results in waste of man power. The only fun part we get is to watch a bunch of neckbeards go crazy on a yellow journalism forum.
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Originally posted by 89c51 View PostThe Linus crazy comment had nothing to do with Lennart or systemd in general. He was referring to Kay and the udev maintenance.
And since Kay and Lennart was so kind to tightly integrate udev into systemd, and talk about how they will allow but not *support* an out-of-systemd usage of udev the question is if we really can separate the two as different projects anymore?
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Originally posted by funkSTAR View PostYes thats true.Even more sadly our beloved neckbeard crowd suffered from another delusion too; The failed to grasp that no one was willing to maintain udev as it was.
Greg stopped.
Kay is willing on the terms it goes to systemd.
The Gentoo crowd can only do forks which is so much easier because they can merge from systemd.
I guess that is too complicated to understand when your neckbeard is growing so large it stops blood coming to your head. It is so sad to see clear evidence of lack of manpower results in waste of man power. The only fun part we get is to watch a bunch of neckbeards go crazy on a yellow journalism forum.
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